Originally Posted by staylor26:
But that's sports fans. It's nothing new, and it's never going to change.
It's not a race issue. Angel isn't some victim, and that's the narrative I'm seeing now, and it's ridiculous.
Jesus Christ dude....for a portion of America...IT IS A RACE ISSUE. It was a race issue before she even waved her hand in front of her face. Just look at the people who are now calling out Nick Wright because "he has to do this because he has a black wife". Or he saw how people were acting about it and instead of just calling it over the top....were adding their own racial bullshit to the argument.
Is what she did over the top? Yes. But do you know the one person you don't hear complaining about it? Clark. She talked shit and lost. She accepted it and moved on. I'm sure she was pissed about it but I hardly think that she's giving this as much thought as the rest of America. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Jesus Christ dude....for a portion of America...IT IS A RACE ISSUE. It was a race issue before she even waved her hand in front of her face. Just look at the people who are now calling out Nick Wright because "he has to do this because he has a black wife". Or he saw how people were acting about it and instead of just calling it over the top....were adding their own racial bullshit to the argument.
Is what she did over the top? Yes. But do you know the one person you don't hear complaining about it? Clark. She talked shit and lost. She accepted it and moved on. I'm sure she was pissed about it but I hardly think that she's giving this as much thought as the rest of America.
You don't get the point. Not everybody, actually the majority, aren't criticizing Angel's actions simply because she's black. Just because that's the issue for a small minority doesn't mean that it is for all of the others.
The criticism is fair. She's not a victim.
Also, something tells me that if this were the other way around and many blacks people were complaining about Clark's actions, you wouldn't accept this narrative so easily. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Not all about race? Sure. I can definitely agree with you on that.
What I can't agree with is that there isn't a racial issue here at all. ****...look at some of the people in this thread. If Clark was the one who did it...it would be cheered.
Is everything a racial issue? No but on the flip side...you can't claim that it's completely devoid of it either.
And then you've got idiots like MarkDavis'shairyballsack who are pissed off because nobody "plays with class" anymore. His reeruned ass can sit the **** down.
As always there's two sides to this. I tend to agree that theres a double standard. Largely I don't give a fuck what she did because athletes, especially male athletes, do this all the time and to a large degree Caitlin Clark does it too and she didn't seem to care. At the same time what Reese did was excessive and definitely way beyond what Clark did. Clark was just being cocky and clapping back. Reese was taunting. Again, I don't think it's classless or anything. Just part of the game. But they aren't one in the same.
Where I'm a lot more bothered is the way dawn Staley threw bait and the media took it and somehow turned Clark into a cocky asshole and her supporters as racist hypocrites. She screamed racism because the Iowa coach complimented her team for being "bar fighters" meaning they play tough and scrappy. She then tried to parallel that to racist insults that I don't think were ever said. That's what Reese fed off of because it doesn't seem like Iowa was being disrespectful specifically to lsu. This is coming from someone who doesn't root for Iowa and is usually plenty supportive if diversity efforts. I thought Staley crossed the line and the media took the bait and unfairly dogpiled on Iowa. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You don't get the point. Not everybody, actually the majority, aren't criticizing Angel's actions simply because she's black. Just because that's the issue for a small minority doesn't mean that it is for all of the others.
The criticism is fair. She's not a victim.
Dude...you don't get my point. Should this be a race issue? No, absolutely not. But it is because people love nothing more than to call out a young, black woman for being over the top. Is it a majority of people? No. But the people that do are loud as fuck.
It isn't the first time that it's happened and it won't be the last. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
But that's sports fans. It's nothing new, and it's never going to change.
It's not a race issue. Angel isn't some victim, that's the narrative I'm seeing now, and it's ridiculous.
It became a race issue when the South Carolina coach made it a race issue in her post game interview after the loss to Iowa. Unfortunately, the NC was going to be tainted with it no matter the outcome. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Dude...you don't get my point. Should this be a race issue? No, absolutely not. But it is because people love nothing more than to call out a young, black woman for being over the top. Is it a majority of people? No. But the people that do are loud as fuck.
It isn't the first time that it's happened and it won't be the last.
If the roles were reveresed, and the hypocrites on the other side were being vocal and making it about race, something tells me that you wouldn't be so quick to push that overarching narrative about the issue.
You don't think there are black people that would "love nothing more than to call out a young, white woman for being over the top" if the roles were reversed? [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
If the roles were reveresed, and the hypocrites on the other side were being vocal and making it about race, something tells me that you wouldn't be so quick to push that overarching narrative about the issue.
Something tells me that you really don't know me that well. There's no point in arguing this. We don't agree and probably won't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ghak99:
It became a race issue when the South Carolina coach made it a race issue in her post game interview after the loss to Iowa. Unfortunately, the NC was going to be tainted with it no matter the outcome.
that's how I see it too. Iowa and Clark did nothing to provoke LSU yet Reese took it personally enough to have major beef with Clark. I don't blame Reese for that. She used it as fuel the way the chiefs used the burrowhead shit. But it's clear that her anger with Clark had a lot to do with what public opinion was telling her to think. And that's the unsettling part for me. I get Staley's point to some small degree but she was wrong to make a spectacle of it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Something tells me that you really don't know me that well. There's no point in arguing this. We don't agree and probably won't.
Sorry, you beat me to my edit. I was trying to include a question so we can try to meet in the middle a bit here. That's my fault.
You don't think there are black people that would "love nothing more than to call out a young, white woman for being over the top" if the roles were reversed?
Because there absolutely would be, and racism wouldn't become the overarching narrative like it is with this issue. People would understand that it's not about race for the majoirty, and they wouldn't feed into that. That's really all I'm trying to say here. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Sorry, you beat me to my edit. I was trying to include a question so we can try to meet in the middle a bit here.
You don't think there are black people that would "love nothing more than to call out a young, white woman for being over the top" if the roles were reversed?
Yep black people spend all day thinking of ways bring White folk down. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Sorry, you beat me to my edit. I was trying to include a question so we can try to meet in the middle a bit here. That's my fault.
You don't think there are black people that would "love nothing more than to call out a young, white woman for being over the top" if the roles were reversed?
Sure because there are people in every race who do that.
Do you honestly believe that racism only exists when people are standing up and yelling the N word? [Reply]