I'm totally fine with letting Wanya Morris play LT. Everyone wants to cry about it, but he was adequate most of the season. Mahomes just didn't play very well, so he got blamed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Why? Again, we all saw the offense when Thuney shifted over from LG to LT, right? An All Pro G to an average at best T and Mahomes finally looked comfortable for a few consecutive games.
Overreaction to a small sample size. Four years ago we were all saying Mahomes could deal with pressure from the edge if the interior wasn't allowing the the pocket to collapse, and now it's fuck the IOL, we have to overpay a 30 year old JAG LT? It's shortsighted. I'd also argue Mahomes looking comfortable had more to do with Mahomes than it did the actual play on the field. He settled down because he trusted Thuney.
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
I don't think a lot of you guys are keeping up with the cap number and the escalation of salaries over the last few years.
$20m for decent LT play? You take that in a heartbeat.
Then why has there been this semi-meltdown over paying Trey Smith? Is a C+ tackle really more valuable than an A- guard? Personally I don't think so, and what guards are getting paid suggests the league doesn't think so either. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I'm totally fine with letting Wanya Morris play LT. Everyone wants to cry about it, but he was adequate most of the season. Mahomes just didn't play very well, so he got blamed.
Is that why he got benched? That is adequate play to you? :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jamie:
Overreaction to a small sample size. Four years ago we were all saying Mahomes could deal with pressure from the edge if the interior wasn't allowing the the pocket to collapse, and now it's **** the IOL, we have to overpay a 30 year old JAG LT? It's shortsighted. I'd also argue Mahomes looking comfortable had more to do with Mahomes than it did the actual play on the field. He settled down because he trusted Thuney.
Then why has there been this semi-meltdown over paying Trey Smith? Is a C+ tackle really more valuable than an A- guard? Personally I don't think so, and what guards are getting paid suggests the league doesn't think so either.
I think you're misunderstanding what I was saying.
I'm saying that the salaries are escalating quickly due to the cap going up. Across the board. So $23m isn't what it was 5 years ago.
Anyway, the OL deals are all staggered in such a way moving forward that it's doable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I'm totally fine with letting Wanya Morris play LT. Everyone wants to cry about it, but he was adequate most of the season. Mahomes just didn't play very well, so he got blamed.
Cool. Reid and Mahomes aren't. That's why he got benched and ended the season not even dressing. [Reply]
I'm coming around to it because of future expiring contracts.
I was looking at some contracts, throwing around some numbers for fun (because that's what I do, sorry Titty Meat) and I think it works out pretty well. You do something like 5 for 105 with 28-29m signing bonus and a 2026 20m option bonus, have a minimum base salary this year, you'll probably end up with cap hits along the lines of 7m, 21.5m, 24.5m, 25.5m, 26.5m. That's a pretty near copy of Robert Hunt's annual hits. It gives a little over 60m in guarantees, which puts him on par with Chris Lindstrom's deal. That's just a guess, but I feel like that's around the expectation.
If you sign Alaric Jackson with a similar structure, you have a fairly minimal cap impact this year. When it balloons up next year, you have Thuney and Kelce off the books to make up for it, and if you do cut Taylo,r it just adds to cap space. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm coming around to it because of future expiring contracts.
I was looking at some contracts, throwing around some numbers for fun (because that's what I do, sorry Titty Meat) and I think it works out pretty well. You do something like 5 for 105 with 28-29m signing bonus and a 2026 20m option bonus, have a minimum base salary this year, you'll probably end up with cap hits along the lines of 7m, 21.5m, 24.5m, 25.5m, 26.5m. That's a pretty near copy of Robert Hunt's annual hits. It gives a little over 60m in guarantees, which puts him on par with Chris Lindstrom's deal. That's just a guess, but I feel like that's around the expectation.
If you sign Alaric Jackson with a similar structure, you have a fairly minimal cap impact this year. When it balloons up next year, you have Thuney and Kelce off the books to make up for it, and if you do cut Taylo,r it just adds to cap space.
This is really the only plan that makes sense with what we know right now.
Addressing the OL in free agency with value moves at DB, WR, and S allows the Chiefs to lean into the strengths of the draft. [Reply]
They’re a free agent LT, Hollywood Brown, and RB in the draft away from arguably the most filled-out offensive depth chart since at least 2019 and maybe longer. Just have to have some better luck health wise this time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm coming around to it because of future expiring contracts.
I was looking at some contracts, throwing around some numbers for fun (because that's what I do, sorry Titty Meat) and I think it works out pretty well. You do something like 5 for 105 with 28-29m signing bonus and a 2026 20m option bonus, have a minimum base salary this year, you'll probably end up with cap hits along the lines of 7m, 21.5m, 24.5m, 25.5m, 26.5m. That's a pretty near copy of Robert Hunt's annual hits. It gives a little over 60m in guarantees, which puts him on par with Chris Lindstrom's deal. That's just a guess, but I feel like that's around the expectation.
If you sign Alaric Jackson with a similar structure, you have a fairly minimal cap impact this year. When it balloons up next year, you have Thuney and Kelce off the books to make up for it, and if you do cut Taylo,r it just adds to cap space.
This is what I've been trying to say, but you said it better. [Reply]
Some of you guys are going to feel pretty silly when the Chiefs still sign a free agent LT. Even if it’s just D.J. Humphries, there’s no chance this team goes into next year without a proven LT of some kind. Even if they end up with a guy like Dan Moore for the short term, there will be a new body there, and it will be someone who has proven they can play the position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Omenihu has been bitching about what he’s entitled to to Veach for his contract. I imagine this is what Veach told him and his agent after watching these DE’s today :-)
Originally Posted by kccrow:
I'm coming around to it because of future expiring contracts.
I was looking at some contracts, throwing around some numbers for fun (because that's what I do, sorry Titty Meat) and I think it works out pretty well. You do something like 5 for 105 with 28-29m signing bonus and a 2026 20m option bonus, have a minimum base salary this year, you'll probably end up with cap hits along the lines of 7m, 21.5m, 24.5m, 25.5m, 26.5m. That's a pretty near copy of Robert Hunt's annual hits. It gives a little over 60m in guarantees, which puts him on par with Chris Lindstrom's deal. That's just a guess, but I feel like that's around the expectation.
If you sign Alaric Jackson with a similar structure, you have a fairly minimal cap impact this year. When it balloons up next year, you have Thuney and Kelce off the books to make up for it, and if you do cut Taylo,r it just adds to cap space.
This sounds good like a good plan when just looking at the managing the cap, but the real issue is the allocation of resources in order to built the strongest team possible. Having 30% or more of your cap (not sure if that is the number would be) in the QB and OL leaves little room for margin in the draft, you need to hit the picks at a higher rate and higher quality players because those players won't be filling the roster but be asked to be starters almost right away. Not to mention that IOL is probably the easiest and cheapest way to find good starters.
I am hoping that this move is more a tag and trade situation than keeping Smith, no matter if we can afford it or not. [Reply]
