Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Do I see people still trying to make an argument that elway was an above-average quarterback? Really? How many times do I have to explain this?
Let's not even try to look at different eras. Let's compare that overrated sap to people who were playing directly in his time period.
Let's look at the 1983-1992 time period, that guy's first decade in the league. During that time period, there were 19 players who had more than 2,000 pass attempts. Those players were:
Dan Marino 5284
John Elway 4339
Warren Moon 4026
Dave Krieg 3797
Joe Montana 3470
Ken O'Brien 3465
Boomer Esiason 3378
Phil Simms 3264
Steve DeBerg 3206
Jim Kelly 3024
Bernie Kosar 3012
Jim Everett 3003
Neil Lomax 2712
Randall Cunningham 2641
Jay Schroeder 2411
Vinny Testaverde 2160
Dan Fouts 2071
Bobby Hebert 2055
Chris Miller 2023
Okay, let's look at where that failed Colts quarterback ranks among his peers:
Completion percentage: elway ranks 16th of 19.
Interception percentage: elways ranks 9th of 19.
Pick 6%: elway ranks 14th of 19.
Passer rating: elway ranks 17th of 19.
Sack percentage: elway ranks 11th of 19.
Sack yards per attempt: elway ranks 12th of 19.
Yards per completed pass: elway ranks 8th of 19.
Adjusted Net Yards per attempt (include impacts of sacks and interceptions): elway ranks 17th of 19.
Now, the only lame argument people make is "oooh, 4th quarter comebacks." He ranks 5th of the 19 in that category, so if you're not paying attention that might make him seem above average. But let's look at those 19 quarterbacks and assume that every single one of them flubbed up every 4th quarter comeback. How would the rankings change? If elway had flubbed every 4th quarter comeback, his teams would have still ranked 5th in win percentage. In other words, the odds are that they would have had exactly the same outcome with an average quarterback. And the reason for that is that they had an average quarterback. They were just a stronger than average team during that decade. So the whole 4th quarter comeback is nothing more than bad marketing of an average quarterback.
If you objectively look at the rankings, then elway was the equivalent of the 13th-best quarterback on that list. He was a Chris Miller/Jay Schroeder quarterback who was given the luxury of starting on a playoff-caliber team.
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Do I see people still trying to make an argument that elway was an above-average quarterback? Really? How many times do I have to explain this?
Let's not even try to look at different eras. Let's compare that overrated sap to people who were playing directly in his time period.
Let's look at the 1983-1992 time period, that guy's first decade in the league. During that time period, there were 19 players who had more than 2,000 pass attempts. Those players were:
Dan Marino 5284
John Elway 4339
Warren Moon 4026
Dave Krieg 3797
Joe Montana 3470
Ken O'Brien 3465
Boomer Esiason 3378
Phil Simms 3264
Steve DeBerg 3206
Jim Kelly 3024
Bernie Kosar 3012
Jim Everett 3003
Neil Lomax 2712
Randall Cunningham 2641
Jay Schroeder 2411
Vinny Testaverde 2160
Dan Fouts 2071
Bobby Hebert 2055
Chris Miller 2023
Okay, let's look at where that failed Colts quarterback ranks among his peers:
Completion percentage: elway ranks 16th of 19.
Interception percentage: elways ranks 9th of 19.
Pick 6%: elway ranks 14th of 19.
Passer rating: elway ranks 17th of 19.
Sack percentage: elway ranks 11th of 19.
Sack yards per attempt: elway ranks 12th of 19.
Yards per completed pass: elway ranks 8th of 19.
Adjusted Net Yards per attempt (include impacts of sacks and interceptions): elway ranks 17th of 19.
Now, the only lame argument people make is "oooh, 4th quarter comebacks." He ranks 5th of the 19 in that category, so if you're not paying attention that might make him seem above average. But let's look at those 19 quarterbacks and assume that every single one of them flubbed up every 4th quarter comeback. How would the rankings change? If elway had flubbed every 4th quarter comeback, his teams would have still ranked 5th in win percentage. In other words, the odds are that they would have had exactly the same outcome with an average quarterback. And the reason for that is that they had an average quarterback. They were just a stronger than average team during that decade. So the whole 4th quarter comeback is nothing more than bad marketing of an average quarterback.
If you objectively look at the rankings, then elway was the equivalent of the 13th-best quarterback on that list. He was a Chris Miller/Jay Schroeder quarterback who was given the luxury of starting on a playoff-caliber team.
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Slight improvement by Karl!
Spoiler!
Can we talk about how much better Geno is than that washed up piece of shit you traded for? Really shows how much better Seattle's talent is than Denver as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
Can we talk about how much better Geno is than that washed up piece of shit you traded for? Really shows how much better Seattle's talent is than Denver as well.
He won't discuss it. He'll only post cherry picked bullshit from Denver media to anticipate Russ rising from the ashes like some sort of fat reeruned phoenix. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
He won't discuss it. He'll only post cherry picked bullshit from Denver media to anticipate Russ rising from the ashes like some sort of fat reeruned phoenix.
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother:
Can we talk about how much better Geno is than that washed up piece of shit you traded for? Really shows how much better Seattle's talent is than Denver as well.
