Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
I appreciate what you and megatron are doing, I really do. But you're arguing with idiots and you know that they're idiots. I'm not sure what you are expecting at this point, honestly.
As I've stated before, when we win the SB, they will still find something to bitch about. Losers bitch and winners get results.
They just want love and attention...and this is how they get it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
You're not using your brain.
Think about it. No one designs a 16-play drive.
NO ONE.
Not ever in the history of professional football has anyone ever decided "let's move the ball 4 yards at a time to score."
What you're arguing is that Andy is insane. And the evidence that he wasn't trying to move the ball 4 yards at a time is right there in color on film. All you have to do is watch the tape, and understand how to analyze it.
You need to use your brain as well. I understand some people have gone way overboard in attacking Andy and you feel the need to strongly defend him, but this is something that cannot be defended. What you are trying to do is rewrite history. I'll admit that Andy reid does some brilliant things and is mostly a great coach, but he has some flaws (particularly with time management) - flaws that are fatal to super bowl hopes most of the time - and you can't just gloss over these well-documented flaws and rewrite history just because we are feeling good about our chances right now or because you want to strongly defend him to some people who have gone overboard in criticizing him. If I can admit he does some brilliant things, why can't you admit that he has a flaw with time management?
Think about it this way - a 2 minute drill is something that should be planned and practiced BEFORE the game. So when's it's game time, you do not have to think about it as much and can do it quickly. Do you think it's likely that they practiced 2 minute drills before the game where they advanced the ball quickly and then when it was game time, they just decided to do the opposite and take 16 plays? No.
What happened is that they did not go into a 2 minute drill (even though there were more than 2 minutes left, it was effectively 2 minute drill time since we needed 2 scores). They did not go into an effective 2 minute drill mode because Andy had to call the perfect plays even if it took more time. He admitted this!
And surprise, surprise - it's NOT an isolated incident (Hello super bowl failure!).
So add the pieces together - Andy has a long reputation for mismanaging the clock, it's not an isolated incident (it even goes back to other QBs before Alex), and most importantly he admitted that he thought this was the right thing. There is a long-term pattern of this and he admitted he wanted it like this. C'mon.
Even if Andy had hoped that Alex would step up and make bigger plays, he was perfectly happy to accept what happened and he was perfectly happy with it for years with Alex. If it bothered him that Alex did not run the 2 minute drill like he wanted, don't you think he would have coached Alex to do it like he wanted or made some kind of change over the years? Remember, Andy said Alex was the perfect QB for his offense. Also, this same pattern started well before Alex Smith was Andy's QB. How hard would it have been to tell Alex, "I know you are cautious and don't want to throw INT's but in this situation, you need to take shots down the field b/c if we take 16 ****ing plays to score, you might as well throw the damn INT b/c we're going to lose anyway!"
For the bulk of Andy's career, McNabb and Alex Smith have been his QB's. If they were incapable of running the offense like Reid wanted and if what you are saying is true that it was the QB who didn't execute and caused the long drive, then Reid is even dumber than I thought for sticking with an incapable QB for so many fruitless years. Your argument, if true, is an even bigger indictment on Reid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lilmrp117:
You need to use your brain as well. I understand some people have gone way overboard in attacking Andy and you feel the need to strongly defend him, but this is something that cannot be defended. What you are trying to do is rewrite history. I'll admit that Andy reid does some brilliant things and is mostly a great coach, but he has some flaws (particularly with time management) - flaws that are fatal to super bowl hopes most of the time - and you can't just gloss over these well-documented flaws and rewrite history just because we are feeling good about our chances right now or because you want to strongly defend him to some people who have gone overboard in criticizing him. If I can admit he does some brilliant things, why can't you admit that he has a flaw with time management?
Think about it this way - a 2 minute drill is something that should be planned and practiced BEFORE the game. So when's it's game time, you do not have to think about it as much and can do it quickly. Do you think it's likely that they practiced 2 minute drills before the game where they advanced the ball quickly and then when it was game time, they just decided to do the opposite and take 16 plays? No.
What happened is that they did not go into a 2 minute drill (even though there were more than 2 minutes left, it was effectively 2 minute drill time since we needed 2 scores). They did not go into an effective 2 minute drill mode because Andy had to call the perfect plays even if it took more time. He admitted this!
And surprise, surprise - it's NOT an isolated incident (Hello super bowl failure!).
So add the pieces together - Andy has a long reputation for mismanaging the clock, it's not an isolated incident (it even goes back to other QBs before Alex), and most importantly he admitted that he thought this was the right thing. There is a long-term pattern of this and he admitted he wanted it like this. C'mon.
Even if Andy had hoped that Alex would step up and make bigger plays, he was perfectly happy to accept what happened and he was perfectly happy with it for years with Alex. If it bothered him that Alex did not run the 2 minute drill like he wanted, don't you think he would have coached Alex to do it like he wanted or made some kind of change over the years? Remember, Andy said Alex was the perfect QB for his offense. Also, this same pattern started well before Alex Smith was Andy's QB. How hard would it have been to tell Alex, "I know you are cautious and don't want to throw INT's but in this situation, you need to take shots down the field b/c if we take 16 ****ing plays to score, you might as well throw the damn INT b/c we're going to lose anyway!"
For the bulk of Andy's career, McNabb and Alex Smith have been his QB's. If they were incapable of running the offense like Reid wanted and if what you are saying is true that it was the QB who didn't execute and caused the long drive, then Reid is even dumber than I thought for sticking with an incapable QB for so many fruitless years. Your argument, if true, is an even bigger indictment on Reid.
I wasted 5 secs of my life reading this nonsense. Where do I get a refund? [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
They've won 11 games/season over his 7 years in KC.
So I guess the problem is that he just doesn't get as many learning opportunities as the other guys...
You people are ****ing idiots. Reid will eventually go down as one of the 5-10 best coaches in NFL history and that will likely be selling him short. The guy is an offensive mastermind, an exceptional teacher/leader and one of the most prepared coaches you'll ever see.
The fact that there are still people who think he's even a merely good head coach is an indictment on this fanbase. The fact that there are people who think he's an actively bad one is an indictment on humanity itself.
This simply is not true and it is not just our fanbase. Ask any Eagles fan and they will tell you that Andy is a solid coach who will get you to respectability but has flaws that make it extremely difficult to get over the hump. I'm not one of the people saying he is a terrible coach - i think he's mostly good - but I'm not sure why so many are trying to paper over his well-documented flaws.
I think you would be in the minority of most NFL fans in claiming Andy is a top 5-10 coach of all time. I'm not sure he is even top 5 in the NFL right now. I'd take Belichick, Reich, Shanahan, Pederson, and maybe even Harbaugh over Andy (it's probably about even with Harbaugh).
Yes, I realize some of those coaches are Reid disciples, but this makes sense b/c as I've said, Andy is mostly a great coach with the exception of a couple flaws that tend to be fatal to super bowl hopes. If you can find coaches who have trained under Andy and learned the good traits and who can correct the flaws, then that leaves you with a pretty good coach.
I do agree with you on Payton, by the way. He coached an awful game this weekend and has been mediocre for years. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Lilmrp117:
This simply is not true and it is not just our fanbase. Ask any Eagles fan and they will tell you that Andy is a solid coach who will get you to respectability but has flaws that make it extremely difficult to get over the hump. I'm not one of the people saying he is a terrible coach - i think he's mostly good - but I'm not sure why so many are trying to paper over his well-documented flaws.
I think you would be in the minority of most NFL fans in claiming Andy is a top 5-10 coach of all time. I'm not sure he is even top 5 in the NFL right now. I'd take Belichick, Reich, Shanahan, Pederson, and maybe even Harbaugh over Andy (it's probably about even with Harbaugh).
Yes, I realize some of those coaches are Reid disciples, but this makes sense b/c as I've said, Andy is mostly a great coach with the exception of a couple flaws that tend to be fatal to super bowl hopes. If you can find coaches who have trained under Andy and learned the good traits and who can correct the flaws, then that leaves you with a pretty good coach.
I do agree with you on Payton, by the way. He coached an awful game this weekend and has been mediocre for years.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Andy has NEVER shit the bed.
He's been a victim of his own success. The dude was out there winning 10+ games with Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb....and those were his BEST quarterbacks. Other times he's out there stealing games with AJ !@#$ing Feeley and the husk of Jeff Garcia. The guy made Kevin Kolb look like someone you should give up a high draft pick for. He had Matt Moore step away from coaching high school football to go throw for throw with Aaron Rodgers.
His BEST QBs were average as ****. Neither of them would've amounted to much of anything in this league but/for Andy Reid. Especially McNabb (dude was incredibly inaccurate). And all he's ever done is go win football games.
If he'd have just gotten out of those scrubs what their talent says they should've been, he's essentially Jeff Fisher and puts up a 20 year resume of .500 football. But because he's as good as he is, the expectations surrounding his teams get heightened and when they fail it's because "Andy's a fat idiot" and not because they were only in that position due to his excellence in the first place.
Idiots. So many idiots.
Andy really needs to at least get us to a Super Bowl in the next 3 years. He’s got the best QB in the world and he now has a quality defense.
There is nothing holding him back now. He’s got everything he needs.
Originally Posted by Lilmrp117:
You need to use your brain as well. I understand some people have gone way overboard in attacking Andy and you feel the need to strongly defend him, but this is something that cannot be defended. What you are trying to do is rewrite history. I'll admit that Andy reid does some brilliant things and is mostly a great coach, but he has some flaws (particularly with time management) - flaws that are fatal to super bowl hopes most of the time - and you can't just gloss over these well-documented flaws and rewrite history just because we are feeling good about our chances right now or because you want to strongly defend him to some people who have gone overboard in criticizing him. If I can admit he does some brilliant things, why can't you admit that he has a flaw with time management?
Think about it this way - a 2 minute drill is something that should be planned and practiced BEFORE the game. So when's it's game time, you do not have to think about it as much and can do it quickly. Do you think it's likely that they practiced 2 minute drills before the game where they advanced the ball quickly and then when it was game time, they just decided to do the opposite and take 16 plays? No.
What happened is that they did not go into a 2 minute drill (even though there were more than 2 minutes left, it was effectively 2 minute drill time since we needed 2 scores). They did not go into an effective 2 minute drill mode because Andy had to call the perfect plays even if it took more time. He admitted this!
And surprise, surprise - it's NOT an isolated incident (Hello super bowl failure!).
So add the pieces together - Andy has a long reputation for mismanaging the clock, it's not an isolated incident (it even goes back to other QBs before Alex), and most importantly he admitted that he thought this was the right thing. There is a long-term pattern of this and he admitted he wanted it like this. C'mon.
Even if Andy had hoped that Alex would step up and make bigger plays, he was perfectly happy to accept what happened and he was perfectly happy with it for years with Alex. If it bothered him that Alex did not run the 2 minute drill like he wanted, don't you think he would have coached Alex to do it like he wanted or made some kind of change over the years? Remember, Andy said Alex was the perfect QB for his offense. Also, this same pattern started well before Alex Smith was Andy's QB. How hard would it have been to tell Alex, "I know you are cautious and don't want to throw INT's but in this situation, you need to take shots down the field b/c if we take 16 ****ing plays to score, you might as well throw the damn INT b/c we're going to lose anyway!"
For the bulk of Andy's career, McNabb and Alex Smith have been his QB's. If they were incapable of running the offense like Reid wanted and if what you are saying is true that it was the QB who didn't execute and caused the long drive, then Reid is even dumber than I thought for sticking with an incapable QB for so many fruitless years. Your argument, if true, is an even bigger indictment on Reid.
So you're argument is that Andy should've pulled Alex from that game in 2016 after Alex screwed up the first 6 plays?
You're take is completely retarded. Stop replying to my posts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Andy has NEVER shit the bed.
He's been a victim of his own success. The dude was out there winning 10+ games with Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb....and those were his BEST quarterbacks. Other times he's out there stealing games with AJ !@#$ing Feeley and the husk of Jeff Garcia. The guy made Kevin Kolb look like someone you should give up a high draft pick for. He had Matt Moore step away from coaching high school football to go throw for throw with Aaron Rodgers.
His BEST QBs were average as fuck. Neither of them would've amounted to much of anything in this league but/for Andy Reid. Especially McNabb (dude was incredibly inaccurate). And all he's ever done is go win football games.
If he'd have just gotten out of those scrubs what their talent says they should've been, he's essentially Jeff Fisher and puts up a 20 year resume of .500 football. But because he's as good as he is, the expectations surrounding his teams get heightened and when they fail it's because "Andy's a fat idiot" and not because they were only in that position due to his excellence in the first place.
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
So, you’re an Eagles fan?
No. I am chiefs fan who lived in Philadelphia for most of my life so most of my friends and family are eagles fans. As a result, I've watched just about every game Andy reid has ever coached in his career.
I was never an eagles fan because i did not believe I should cheer for a team based on where i live so i just went with what got me interested in the sport to begin with and what I liked, and for football, that was joe montana. he was my idol when I was kid. i would VHS tape record the games and try to throw just like him.
When the Niners betrayed him by making him lose his job due to injury, I followed him over to the chiefs and have been a fan ever since. [Reply]
