Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Yeah, but who cared about Kimbo Slice as soon as he lost? No one really cares about someone who pretends to be a badass; they want the real thing.
I just think that casual fans are fickle in that they only want the monster. You all sound like dedicated fans that actually appreciate the sport rather than the spectacle, so you'll watch for the matchups, not the crossover story.
Lesnar didn't really have any crossover appeal after he lost. Same with Slice. I think it will be interesting to see what happens to Rousey's marketability after this, though.
That's not true concerning Lesnar. He lost his first UFC fight, and was still by far their biggest earner during his tenure, I believe. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TimBone:
That's not true concerning Lesnar. He lost his first UFC fight, and was still by far their biggest earner during his tenure, I believe.
Yep. Lesnar tapped to Mir fair and square, and was still easily the biggest draw in the UFC. Even when Velasquez picked him apart, his fight with Overeem afterwards was one of the largest of the year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TimBone:
That's not true concerning Lesnar. He lost his first UFC fight, and was still by far their biggest earner during his tenure, I believe.
Good point then. How much of that was WWE-driven, given his background? [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Good point then. How much of that was WWE-driven, given his background?
Honestly? 90 percent probably. His first fight with Randy Couture broke PPV buying records, and it had nothing to do with Couture's 45 year old broken down body. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KChiefs1:
MMA is by far the best.
just boring for me. Sure.. different fighting styles are enticing.. bud if i wanna see someone get beatup.. i wanna see some great blows done hand to hand standing up. Personal preference and do not mean to come off pompous or insulting to this thread. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
Good point then. How much of that was WWE-driven, given his background?
I believe Brock was in a category of his own as far as draw is concerned. I think he could come back tomorrow and do over a million buys (which is huge numbers for the UFC). He's a heavyweight, which are huge draws to begin with. He also looked like a fucking beast. You really felt as if you were watching monsters collide when he fought. Lastly, the WWE crossover was really big. I know lots of WWE fans bought every Brock PPV just because they wanted to see how he did. I saw YouTube videos of WWE fans with absolutely no MMA knowledge, hanging on every second of his fights. Screaming the silliest shit. "Just put him in a sleeper hold, Brock!" It was a huge money draw for Dana, but it was almost embarrassing for the UFC.
I kinda look at the Rousey situation the same way. The promos and hype her and her opponents up as the best in the world, and then you tune in and it's subpar talent. Great for Dana's wallet, fun for casual fans, but does nothing to lend credibility to the sport. [Reply]
Originally Posted by alnorth:
instead of selling out for a takedown, in the 2nd she retardedly stuck with her dumb plan of out-striking a champion boxer
i dont know if you noticed it or not, but she couldnt get in. she tried to close the gap a few times. once she got fucking tossed, 2nd time Holm easily got loose and was out. In 10 fights Holm has never been taken to the ground i think i read. She's 10-0.
I knew this was going to end the way it did. Before the fight i told my bro in law, its going to end on a kick to the fucking head watch. Then bam, kick to the head and it was over.
Holm is a damned great fighter. She's not going to be to easy to beat, but she is 34 after all. I dont see anyone in the UFC right now that could beat her. [Reply]
I didn't see the fight, but when my son texted me that RR didn't touch gloves, we both agreed that she deserved to get her ass kicked. Well, it happened.
Never, Ever, EVER, EVER, EVER, disrespect your sport! She did, and it wasn't a mistake after seeing clips. It was her trying to, well, look badass. Maybe she knew what was about to happen!
After years of coaching wrestler, a wrestler who doesn't shake hands is a wrestler who most wrestlers, coaches, officials, and fans want to see lose. RR did that in an instant with one stupid move, even before she took her first well-deserved punch. [Reply]
Originally Posted by alnorth:
Rousey inexplicably decided that she was a boxer tonight. She had plenty of opportunities to take Holm down and submit her, but she refused because of retarded "I'm a complete fighter" pride.
This is a silly take. She had opportunities to try to take her down and TRY to submit her.
Nothing says she definitely would have gotten it done. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mdstu:
I think alot of it had to do with her being so gassed and the one time she was in position for the hip toss Holly defended it very well.