spending all our draft capital to move up and get a LT at like, 15, who’d be the third or fourth best tackle in a class I’ve heard is not great, and could be a complete bust, seems unwise. If we can’t at least get Campbell or Banks Jr (highly unlikely they drop past 10), there’s no point.
We need to get an established LT. See what happens with Stanley, if not him then throw the sink at Robinson. See who could be available in trades. I’d be much more comfortable giving up two 1s and a 2 for a guy I KNOW is gonna be good. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Because draft history, especially recent, says a LT taken at 22 has about the same success rate as a LT taken at 42 or 62.
You will not get a first year starter out of anything but a tip 15 pick. Everything else is a lottery ticket.
I just gave an example of a team who got a year 1 starter in the 3rd rd. I know that’s not the norm but it’s clearly possible. By this logic there’s no reason to take Conerly or Ersery late rd 1 because regardless of being a superior prospect they have the same success chance as a lesser prospect like Grey Zabel or Anthony Benton, right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Why is this the assumption, that any non-top 10 OT within reach will be as bad as Kingsley Suamataia? KC clearly didn’t even think he would be that bad or they wouldn’t have picked him as the starter coming into the season. A non-injured Morris wasn’t nearly as bad as KS as a rookie and he was seen as an inferior prospect. Commanders had Brandon Coleman start 12 games as a rookie 3rd rd pick and he never looked close to as bad as Suamataia.
KS was barely a 2nd rd pick at pick 63, an OT seen as a mid to late 1st rounder should in theory be a superior prospect to Suamataia and should have a quicker learning curve, in theory.
I don’t think the process here has to be all that complicated. Free agency starts a month from now, the draft starts 6 weeks after that. Free agency goal day 1 should be to acquire Stanley, Jackson, or Robinson if any are available. If you get one then OT isn’t a dire need in rd 1 but you probably still take one at some point in the draft to keep churning the talent.
If you strike out there then the team is kind of backed into a corner and OT becomes an absolute necessity in rd 1 or 2. You probably sign someone like Humphries or maybe Jedrick Wills as a veteran option and then you get to work scouting and acquiring your guys in the draft, probably Conerly or Ersery. Humphries (or whatever veteran they sign) is slated as the starter from day 1 and you have the rookie, Suamataia, and Morris all compete through TC and into the season.
Looks like a pretty fair, reasonable, and realistic plan A and plan B.
Brandon Coleman ****ing sucks and the only reason he even looked passable was bc his QB is as mobile as Lamar Jackson so teams had to control their rush instead of pure pass rushing.
Here is this kid getting owned by Nolan Smith in the NFCCG. First play on the video and then again at 10:39. He fucking sucks
The Chiefs starting LT entering next season has to be as close to a sure thing as possible.
F*** yeah man, Veach and the Front Office need to high IQ the next LT move, it needs to be a legit genius move. Pat is capable of basically going to the Superbowl every year and is proving that, but getting smashed in the Big Game because the OL has an achilles heel is getting old now.
You would never of believed in 4 years ago, but the OL in its current state has Pat with happy feet. Brady in the telecast kept going back to Pat's footwork and said that the footwork showed he did not trust the OL at all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I just gave an example of a team who got a year 1 starter in the 3rd rd. I know that’s not the norm but it’s clearly possible. By this logic there’s no reason to take Conerly or Ersery late rd 1 because regardless of being a superior prospect they have the same success chance as a lesser prospect like Grey Zabel or Anthony Benton, right?
It's not the norm? It's the extreme outlier.
As far as taking a guy later in the first, sure do it. Just don't give up extra picks to do it. It's not worth it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Brandon Coleman ****ing sucks and the only reason he even looked passable was bc his QB is as mobile as Lamar Jackson so teams had to control their rush instead of pure pass rushing.
Here is this kid getting owned by Nolan Smith in the NFCCG.
That doesn’t mean he sucks, he’s still a rookie who was at least good enough to have started all year as a raw prospect. He’s likely to improve and has shown a solid base to grow on. Even if Suamataia struggled all year if he had at least been able to stay in the starting lineup for the season I think we all would mostly have some level of optimism that he would improve.
Coleman apparently only gave up 1 hurry in the playoffs against Detroit. Yes he struggled against Philly but so did Jawaan Taylor and every other OL on our team, not going to hold that against him when he still had so much more positive to show from the season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
At this point I don’t give a shit about 1st rd picks. I’d gladly sell 31, 66 and next years first if it got us to the teens. I’d even add a 2026 4th if need be.
I just don’t care anymore. This is mentally ****ing our QB in his prime. It has to be fixed at all costs.
7 LT’s since Eric Fisher. No wonder Mahomes is playing like a game manager
Quite honestly if I’m Veach I’m tagging Trey. The FA market sucks absolute ass this year. It’s terrible. Trey is by far the best OL available and it’s not even remotely close. And yes I think someone will trade with us for him (hello Chicago!).
We can easily create $50 million in cap space if we want to and the first year cap hit for signed players will be low anyway.
Yeah. Get your 3rd rd pick this year if you can [Reply]
Don’t know a whole lot about him as I am no draft expert, but was he any good in college? Does he have high upside? Also is there a realistic possibility that KC could get him without a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams type of trade? [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It's not the norm? It's the extreme outlier.
As far as taking a guy later in the first, sure do it. Just don't give up extra picks to do it. It's not worth it.
I stated my top option was to get Stanley, Jackson, or Robinson before the draft.
But in the event we are unable to acquire any of them, are you really suggesting we go into the draft and just let the board fall as it may knowing we have fuck all at LT to protect Mahomes?
Your other post suggested we may do an unexpected move that nobody is talking about and if that what happens then great, but it sure as hell needs to be a pretty damn solid option. We have no clue who may or may not be available, but I’m looking at this from the perspective that free agency doesn’t work out in our favor and there are no clear upgrades available in a trade. In that instance it would be insane to just sit on your hands and hope someone falls in your lap. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
I stated my top option was to get Stanley, Jackson, or Robinson before the draft.
But in the event we are unable to acquire any of them, are you really suggesting we go into the draft and just let the board fall as it may knowing we have fuck all at LT to protect Mahomes?
Your other post suggested we may do an unexpected move that nobody is talking about and if that what happens then great, but it sure as hell needs to be a pretty damn solid option. We have no clue who may or may not be available, but I’m looking at this from the perspective that free agency doesn’t work out in our favor and there are no clear upgrades available in a trade. In that instance it would be insane to just sit on your hands and hope someone falls in your lap.
This team cannot afford to throw picks away. Full stop.
If they strike out in free agency or can't make a trade for a vet, we ARE going into next year in the same situation as last, even if they take a LT in the first. It is what it is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
At this point I don’t give a shit about 1st rd picks. I’d gladly sell 31, 66 and next years first if it got us to the teens. I’d even add a 2026 4th if need be.
I just don’t care anymore. This is mentally ****ing our QB in his prime. It has to be fixed at all costs.
7 LT’s since Eric Fisher. No wonder Mahomes is playing like a game manager
I pretty much agree with all of your takes you have, the LT position needs to be addressed AT ALL F'N COST including Clark Hunt getting involved and his massive pocketbook. Use some of that Taylor Swift money. They need to bring in legit outside experts as well to sit in board rooms for days/weeks all to help make this one next critical decision. It's almost as important, if not as important a decision on selecting who the next QB will be. I don't trust Veach at all when it comes to evaluating tackles he has proven to be a bit inept. [Reply]