The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.
2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.
3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.
4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.
5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.
6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.
6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.
7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.
Original post: You can ignore this now.
Spoiler!
Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.
The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.
Here's how the game will work.
Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)
Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.
Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".
Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.
Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.
Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs
If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.
There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.
I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.
So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.
Teams As Of Post #113:
Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)
Added Rules and Reminders:
1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.
2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.
3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.
For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)
For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)
You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) [Reply]
Dang. I didn't finalize my roster before Week 1. It's a little late, but here it is.
Rookies are shown in green.
QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Brett Hundley (#4/146 - Packers)
HB
Jamaal Charles
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
FB/H-Back
(None)
WR
Jeremy Maclin
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Dwayne Bowe
Albert Wilson
Donte Moncrief (Colts).
TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Anthony Fasano
Ben Koyack (#6/217 - Jaguars)
OT
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
TJ Clemmings (#3/98 - Vikings)
Ryan Harris, RT
Corey Robinson (#7/232 - Lions)
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
G
Alex Boone (49ers)
Ben Grubbs (Acquired via trade for the #5/154 pick)
C
Andy Gallik (#6/193 - Titans)
K
Cairo Santos, K
P
Dustin Colquitt
LS
James Winchester
FS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Derron Smith (#5/172 - Bengals)
SS
Tyvon Branch
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
CB
Sean Smith
Marcus Peters (#1/18 - Chiefs)
Jamell Fleming
Steve Nelson (#3/80 - Chiefs)
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (#7/233 - Browns)
OLB
Tamba Hali
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Nate Orchard (#2/49 - Browns)
Trevor Reilly (Jets)
Justin March
ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Josh Mauga
Zach Brown (Titans)
DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Mike DeVito
Ropati Pitoitua
Alex Carrington (Bills)
Nick Williams
NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Daniel McCullers (Steelers)
Michael Bennett (#5/173 - Jaguars)
Easy Cuts:
QB Terrelle Pryor
QB Tyler Bray
FB Trey Millard (49ers).
WR Donnie Avery
WR Corbin Louks
WR Da'rick Rogers
TE Adam Schilz
OT Derek Sherrod
OT Curtis Feigt
OT Paul Fanaika
G Mike McGlynn
LS Jorgen Hus
FS Gerod Holliman (#7/228 - Steelers)
CB Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
CB Chris Owens
CB Shaquille Richardson
CB Aaron Hester
CB Deji Olatoye
OLB Ronald Powell (Saints)
OLB Jojo Dickson
DE Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
DT Jerel Worthy
DT Vaughn Martin
Tough Cuts:
WR Fred Williams
WR Jason Avant
TE Brian Parker
SS Kelcie McCray
ILB Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
DE Vance Walker
WR Frankie Hammond
G David Yankey (Vikings)
OLB Josh Martin
FS Ed Reynolds (Eagles)
OT Jarrod Pughsley [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
So am I correct that we are all screwed by not having known about West?
Yeah, pretty much. And we lost Charles, so we will have QB-driven teams.
I was sure that CJ Spiller was going to do well for me. He hasn't been an outright bust, but I would've liked more production from a first-round pick. [Reply]
How did my team do this year? Let's post a "Year in Review" summary.
Rookies are shown in green.
QB
Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Geno Smith (Jets)
Brett Hundley (#4/146 - Packers)
I'm strong at QB, though my depth could be better. It's possible that Hundley may be my #2 QB next year.
Draft needs: depth.
HB
Jamaal Charles
Denard Robinson (Jaguars)
C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
This should've been a position of strength, but Jamaal got hurt. Robinson and Spiller were okay in spot duty.
Draft needs: need to think about a HBoTF given Jamaal's situation.
FB/H-Back
(None)
Pretty much using a TE at this position given the modern NFL.
Draft needs: none, really.
WR
Jeremy Maclin
Kendall Wright (Titans)
Dwayne Bowe
Albert Wilson
Donte Moncrief (Colts).
Strong here. Wright got hurt a lot, so Moncrief moved up to my #2 spot. Great depth, even if Bowe was a bust.
Draft needs: None.
TE
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Anthony Fasano
Ben Koyack (#6/217 - Jaguars)
No complaints here at the top two. Koyack got no action at all, though.
Draft needs: A TE2 to eventually replace Fasano.
OT
Menelik Watson (Raiders)
Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
TJ Clemmings (#3/98 - Vikings)
Ryan Harris, RT
Corey Robinson (#7/232 - Lions)
Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
I turned a weakness into a strength here, or at least adequacy. Watson was out for the year in preseason and I had no established starters, but my second year guy Moses started all 16 games, as did rookie TJ Clemmings and journeyman Ryan Harris. Kouandjio was at least active and got a couple of starts, while rookie Robinson got no action. They're all right tackles so I still need to upgrade, but I at least have depth now. Moses may be the only guy returning to a starter position unless Watson can finally do the job.
Draft needs: Starting left tackle.
G
Alex Boone (49ers)
Ben Grubbs (Acquired via trade for the #5/154 pick)
Disaster here. All my great depth disappeared last offseason. Boone played only 13 games and Grubbs only 7, so I would've been moving tackles inside to fill the gap.
Draft needs: Starting left guard and depth.
C
Andy Gallik (#6/193 - Titans)
I knew I was in trouble here going into the season with only a late-round rookie, but Gallik surprised me, getting 8 starts. This was kind of a win even though not a strength. However, he only started due to an injury so may be a backup again next year.
Draft needs: Starting center.
K
Cairo Santos, K
Best kicker in the league.
Draft needs: none.
P
Dustin Colquitt
Best punter in the league.
Draft needs: none.
LS
James Winchester
Kind of shaky this year relative to expectations.
Draft needs: none. Whoever the Chiefs end up with will be on my roster.
FS
Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Jordan Poyer (Eagles)
Derron Smith (#5/172 - Bengals)
Jones remains a high performer for me, and Poyer actually got playing time and a couple of starts as my patience pays off. Smith saw only special teams action, so we'll see.
Draft needs: none.
SS
Tyvon Branch
Baccari Rambo (Redskins)
While neither was a full-year starter, both guys saw a lot of action this year. It's not a strength, but I was finally able to say that this position wasn't an overt weakness.
Draft needs: Full-time starter, but it's not a high priority.
CB
Sean Smith
Marcus Peters (#1/18 - Chiefs)
Jamell Fleming
Steve Nelson (#3/80 - Chiefs)
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (#7/233 - Browns)
Man, am I glad that I drafted Peters. My depth isn't great, but my starters are solid. I hope that Fleming and Nelson develop, and knew that Ekpre was a long-term hold since he started training camp on IR.
Draft needs: You can always use another good CB, but the need is mostly depth.
OLB
Tamba Hali
AJ Klein (Panthers)
Nate Orchard (#2/49 - Browns)
Trevor Reilly (Jets)
Justin March
Hali continues to hold up this unit, though Orchard came on as a strong starter and Klein is a strong backup. Reilly got special teams action and March was an IR guy.
Draft need: I really need a #1 pass rusher to replace Hali at some point.
ILB
Derrick Johnson
Rey Maualuga (Bengals)
Josh Mauga
Zach Brown (Titans)
DJ was great, of course, and Maualuga barely beat out Mauga for the starter job. Brown always seems to hang on and produce. Great depth here.
Draft need: none.
DE
Star Lotulelei (Panthers)
Mike DeVito
Ropati Pitoitua
Alex Carrington (Bills)
Nick Williams
Star isn't the dominator I was hoping for, but he holds the position down along with DeVito. The other guys are all depth.
Draft need: Could use a DEoTF here.
NT
Brandon Williams (Ravens)
Daniel McCullers (Steelers)
Michael Bennett (#5/173 - Jaguars)
Brandon Williams seized this spot and was a strong point on my D this year. McCullers is gigantic depth at this point. Bennett is depth that I hope will develop.
Draft need: depth.
Overall grades:
Offense: Strong at the skill positions, though Wilson ran for his life behind a weak and inexperienced line and Jamaal's injury hurt the running game. Grade: B.
Special Teams: Followed the Chiefs. Grade: A.
Defense: I'm finally building some good talent in the backfield, but my LB corps is aging and my line investments are not paying off well. I can't generate a pass rush at all other than Hali. It's a serviceable defense that improved over last year, but it's probably only average. Grade: C. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
The good news is based on my decisions so far, I have just doomed Shane Ray's career and guaranteed that Peters will be All Pro.
So wazu, I'm guessing that your draft priorities will be HB, OT, and NT, and maybe CB?
We both got lucky with Clemmings at OT, but at the same time it sounds like he didn't exactly solidify himself into the position.
And it sure is hard to find defensive ends, isn't it? I keep whiffing at that position. I don't know how many you've drafted, but I've spent some capital at DE and OLB and can't seem to find starters, other than moving Lotulelei out there. [Reply]
Just for fun, I went back and looked at all of my drafts since 2009. Here they are:
2009 Draft
Round 1 - 3rd Pick - Mark Sanchez - QB - USC (went to Jets)
Round 2 - 34th Pick - Rey Maualuga - ILB - USC (went to Bengals)
Round 3 - 67th Pick - Derrick Williams - WR - Penn State (went to Lions)
Round 4 - 102nd Pick - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt (went to Bears)
Round 5 - 139th Pick - Duke Robinson - G - Oklahoma (went to Panthers)
Round 5 - 175th Pick - Myron Pryor - DT - Kentucky (went to Patriots)
Round 7 - 212th Pick - Zack Follett - OLB - California (went to Lions)
Round 7 - 237th Pick - No pick - Rejected Trade
Round 7 - 256th Pick - Alex Boone - OT - Ohio State (not drafted, signed by 49ers)
Grade: C-. Maualuga and Boone are both starters to this day, and I got a few good years out of Sanchez and Moore. I probably shouldn't have cut Sanchez.
2010 Draft
Round 1 - 5th Pick - RB C.J. Spiller. (Bills)
Round 2 - 36th Pick - QB Jimmy Clausen (Panthers)
Round 3 - 68th Pick - DE Alex Carrington (Bills).
Round 4 - 102nd Pick - OT Bruce Campbell (Raiders)
Round 5 - 136th Pick - FS Kendrick Lewis (Chiefs)
Round 5 - 142nd Pick - SS Reshad Jones (Dolphins)
Round 6 - 173rd Pick - WR Dezmon Brisco (Bengals)
Round 7 - 212th Pick - LB Dekoda Watson (Buccaneers)
Grade: B-. Jones was a great steal, and Spiller and Carrington are both backups with the team. Watson played for me for five years.
2011 Draft
Round 1 - 26th pick DE Da'Quan Bowers (Buccaneers)
Round 2 - 55th pick C Rodney Hudson (Chiefs)
Round 3 - 70th pick WR Leonard Hankerson (Redskins)
Round 4 - 112th pick WR Greg Salas (Rams)
Round 4 - 118th pick K Alex Henery (Eagles)
Round 5 - 135th pick SS Shiloh Keo (Texans)
Round 5 - 140th pick OT Jason Pinkston (Browns)
Round 5 - 158th pick OLB Chris Carter (Steelers)
Round 6 - 199th pick OLB Bruce Miller (49ers)
Round 7 - 223rd pick G Lee Ziemba (Panthers)
Round 7 - 228th pick DT Lawrence Guy (Packers)
Grade: F. Hudson started for me until he left, and Henery and Pinkston started for a couple of years, while Hankerson was a good backup for a while. I gave up on Guy too early and gave up on Bowers too late. Nobody in this draft remains on the roster.
2012 Draft
Round 1 - 20th pick WR Kendall Wright (Titans)
Round 2 - 52nd pick Zach Brown (Titans)
Round 3 - 75th pick QB Russell Wilson (Seahawks)
Round 4 - 125th pick OLB Ronnell Lewis (Lions)
Round 5 - 164th pick DE Jonathan Massaquoi (Falcons)
Round 6 - 192nd pick SS Charles Mitchell (Falcons)
Round 7 - 224th pick CB Alphonso Dennard (Patriots)
Round 7 - 238th pick WR Junior Hemingway (Chiefs)
Grade: A. I got my quarterback in the third round and Wright is a starter. Dennard had a couple of good years and Brown is still on the roster.
Grade: A. Kelse, Williams, and Lotulelei are all strong starters. Smith, Watson, Robinson, Klein, Rambo, and Poyer are all still on the roster.
2014 Draft
Round 2 - 44th Pick - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT (Bills)
Round 2 - 56th Pick - Morgan Moses, OT (Redskins)
Round 3 - 87th Pick - Donte Moncrief, WR (Colts)
Round 4 - 124th Pick - David Yankey, G (Vikings).
Round 5 - 153rd Pick - Ed Reynolds, FS (Eagles)
Round 5 - 163rd Pick - Ronald Powell, OLB (Saints).
Round 6 - 200th Pick - Daniel McCullers, NT (Steelers).
Round 7 - 221st Pick - Trevor Reilly, OLB (Jets).
Round 7 - 238th Pick - Trey Millard, FB (49ers).
Grade: C-. Moses is a starter on the rise and Moncrief is a very strong backup. Kouandjio has struggled. McCullers and Reilly are still on my roster.
2015 Draft
Round 1 - 18th Pick - CB Marcus Peters (Chiefs)
Round 2 - 49th Pick - OLB Nate Orchard (Browns)
Round 3 - 80th Pick. CB Steve Nelson (Chiefs)
Round 4 - 98th Pick - OT TJ Clemmings (Vikings)
(Traded Round 5 - 146th pick) - QB Brett Hundley (Packers)
Round 5 - 154th Pick - I am accepting the trade for G Ben Grubbs.
Round 5 - 172nd Pick - FS Derron Smith (Bengals)
Round 5 - 173rd Pick - DT Michael Bennett (Jaguars)
Round 6 - 193rd Pick - C Andy Gallik (Titans)
Round 6 - 217th Pick - TE Ben Koyack (Jaguars)
Round 7 - 228th Pick, acquired in trade down - FS Gerod Holliman (Steelers)
Round 7 - 232nd Pick, acquired in trade down - OT Corey Robinson (Lions)
Round 7 - 233rd Pick - CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu (Browns)
Grade: A. It's early, but Peters is a big winner and Orchard is looking good. Clemmings and Gallik started as rookies, albeit due to injuries, and Bennett is showing promise. [Reply]