Originally Posted by dlphg9:
He's not getting whooped on the edge. He pushes his guy around Mahomes or stops them. Mahomes is either bailing for no reason or bailing because there is pressure/looks like there is pressure.
Mahomes footwork is on him. Go read Seth Keysor's article from last week.
Yeah I just don't know we were watching the same game man.
Wanya got his ass kicked on every 3rd-and-long in the second half. [Reply]
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.
Seems like Mahomes has always preferred throwing to guys with some separation
Yeah he'll make exceptions for Kelce, DHop and others at times, but he prefers a little room for error IMO [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.
Jacksonville did not like Taylor enough to spend $20M per year on him. Chiefs might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and use the other $12M to help other aspects of the team, such as CB/DL/LB or LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Jacksonville did not like Taylor enough to spend $20M per year on him. Chiefs might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and use the other $12M to help other aspects of the team, such as CB/DL/LB or LT.
Taylor was literally the top OT FA that year he was getting paid. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I watch the games, but I am too tuned into watching the ball that I don't pay all that much attention to other things and so I've been watching the condensed version for lineman play and when I do this things look a lot different from what I remember watching live.
Seriously go watch the game on the NFL app and tell me that Wanya Morris was bad.
You need your eyes checked.
Morris gave up 4 pressures, 2 hurries, a QB hit and a sack against Carolina.
He’s terrible and Andy will need to give him a lot of help to prevent Maxx from wrecking shit. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.
Definitely a combination. Many things can be true, Mahomes, Trey, WRs not called Hopkins, and most definitely the OTs being ass.
Even with that I think it'll come good as soon as LT becomes average. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Definitely a combination. Many things can be true, Mahomes, Trey, WRs not called Hopkins, and most definitely the OTs being ass.
Even with that I think it'll come good as soon as LT becomes average.
I think some of it is as simple as the injuries destroyed the offense. Rice and Brown are really good separaters, Pacheco is explosive..taking all of them away and changing Worthy's role has had a pretty serious affect on the team.
Kelce was suppose to have space to work in with those guys..and it vanished without them. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
At some point there are some serious questions to be asked. Like..why is the OL less than it's parts. In no way shape or form should that OL look that way when you factor in the players.
Are the players underperforming? Is the scheme not suited for their strengths? Is the coaching bad?
We have a very highly thought of and paid LG, the highest paid center, a RG that is well thought of and a RT that was well thought of before he got here. That is a lot more than so many QBs are working with on the OL.
Then comes this question..when Mahomes hits the top of his drop and doesn't fire, is that because the receivers are a problem and aren't getting open in time..or is Mahomes averse to throwing to guys without clear separation.
These problems are honestly probably all amplifying the other...and don't even get me started on the WR snap counts.
The pressure from the edges is forcing mahomes into the pocket and making the guards look worse than they are.
Mahomes prefers to drift back which requires good edge play.
Guard / center play is very unimportant in modern nfl
Mahomes / Kelce are both making 100s of millions and have put on some weight [Reply]
Having said that I think we’re a top 3 offense going into the playoffs if everything plays out with the returning players and left tackle being put in a starting role. [Reply]
