Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes.
When did WalRuss throw 50 TD's in a season and win league MVP? :-)
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.
Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:
Spoiler!
The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.
If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).
The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.
In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.
For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Then why did they outright refuse to trade him last year? If they thought he wasn't good enough they would've honored his trade request last year. :-)
They traded him because he and Pete didn't agree on offensive philosophy and they knew the relationship was never going to get any better.
Russell Wilson was the only thing keeping that franchise afloat the past three or four years and it will show in 2022. In seasons where Russ played every game, the Seahawks made the playoffs every single season but one. QB's in Cousins' tier don't do that.
Hey dumbass, teams don't trade away the most important player on the team if they still believe he can get them to the championship. The Seahawks lost faith in him and fleeced your team to get rid of him. Your blind homerism won't let you see reality, but you'll be gone by the end of October again this year just like you always are and we'll wait to rub your nose in shit until you show up in march of next year. Same as it ever was [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Elite QB’s don’t lose countless playoff games and only beat scrubs/poor franchises. He hasn’t beaten and legit team in the playoffs since Marshawn and the LOB was carrying him
Very brave of you to admit that you can’t count to 7. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.
Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:
Spoiler!
The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.
If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).
The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.
In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.
For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.
Originally Posted by MagicHef:
Very brave of you to admit that you can’t count to 7.
Considering he's 1-7 in the playoffs when the opponent scores over 20, what do you think his overall postseason record would be if he'd had KC's recent defenses (and no running game)?
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Considering he's 1-7 in the playoffs when the opponent scores over 20, what do you think his overall postseason record would be if he'd had KC's recent defenses (and no running game)?
2-14?
Could you imagine fat ass Russ trying to make any of the comebacks Mahomes did on our SB run. Dude hasn’t won a playoff game since 214 where his opponent has scored a single TD. Emm-bara-siiiiiiiing!!! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Then why did they outright refuse to trade him last year? If they thought he wasn't good enough they would've honored his trade request last year.
They traded him because he and Pete didn't agree on offensive philosophy and they knew the relationship was never going to get any better.
Russell Wilson was the only thing keeping that franchise afloat the past three or four years and it will show in 2022. In seasons where Russ played every game, the Seahawks made the playoffs every single season but one. QB's in Cousins' tier don't do that.
So it took them a decade to realize that their philosophies weren't aligned?
Hey, if you're content with paying a guy 50 mil/yr just to make the playoffs somewhat consistently, he's your man (and I suppose you are that desperate).
Actually, Pete Carroll is who kept them afloat. They were consistent winners until he was forced to "let Russ cook." All downhill from there.
Reality: Seattle wasn't going to pay a QB with declining athleticism who can't see over his OL $50 mil/yr. Especially when he isn't aware of his own limitations and isn't sensible enough to follow the tried and true plan. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes.
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.
Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:
Spoiler!
The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.
If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).
The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.
In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.
For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.
He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Now this is hilarious.
Good, not great? They had an all-time great D, which ranked #1 in the NFL several years in a row. They had an elite running game, and quality WRs like Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin. They absolutely won in spite of his Alex Smith-like performances. How many QBs wouldn't win when their defense is holding playoff teams to 13 ppg? :-)
There was a reason for Carroll's philosophy. It worked. What happened after they let Russack have his way? Oh, it looked pretty good for a month or two, before teams adjusted and realized that this midget with declining athleticism was helpless against 2 deep coverage. Since then, his numbers fell off a cliff, he played terribly in a blowout playoff loss, and his overall record is 12-11. [Reply]
