Originally Posted by RunKC:
The only reason Wilson isn’t 2-6 in the playoffs since the SB fiasco in 2014 is bc the Vikings kicker (great find Paton!) missed a 27 yard chip shot for the win.
I remember that game. It was one the biggest choke jobs in recent memory...actually felt bad for Vikings fans.
I didnt remember it was was against the Seahawks...they should have lost that game. [Reply]
Interesting...in 2020, Wilson started hot then DCs starting taking away his tendency to throw outside...it doesn't appeared he's solved that puzzle since.
First 8 games..305 ypg, 28 Tds
Final 8 games...208 ypg, 12 Tds
2021 14 games 222 ypg, 25 Tds
He's averaging 215 YPG over his last season and a half...and was actually slightly better last year than at the end of 2020. So the injury excuse doenst hold water... [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
The only reason Wilson isn’t 2-6 in the playoffs since the SB fiasco in 2014 is bc the Vikings kicker (great find Paton!) missed a 27 yard chip shot for the win.
He’s proven time and time again that he needs an elite defense to have any chance of winning in the playoffs.
But hey his 2 wins over Detroit and Josh McCown were sure great. Did I mention his defense gave up a combined 15 points in those 2 games?
Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.
Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:
Spoiler!
The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.
If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).
The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.
In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.
For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.
One thing I mentioned a few months ago...and one of the more interesting subplots of opening weekend. Carroll is a defensive minded HC...he saw how teams starting playing Moobs plus knows his weaknesses better than any other team.
It's been said many times that Wilson can only play one style of offense...which would echo his last year and a half. The 2021 experiment with a new OC didn't go well...
Seahawks could very well be laying out a blueprint for defending him in week one...kind of a rare occurrence in the first game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.
Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:
Spoiler!
The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.
If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).
The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.
In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.
Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.
For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.
Elite QB’s don’t lose countless playoff games and only beat scrubs/poor franchises. He hasn’t beaten and legit team in the playoffs since Marshawn and the LOB was carrying him [Reply]
I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.
And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Elite QB’s don’t lose countless playoff games and only beat scrubs/poor franchises. He hasn’t beaten and legit team in the playoffs since Marshawn and the LOB was carrying him
Russell lost a home playoff game to John Wolford and Jared Goff :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.
And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years
Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.
And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years
Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes. [Reply]
I was really surprised how bad Sutton's numbers were...considering the media acts like he's a legit #1 WR. Those were WR3 stats...0 TDs over the final 10 games?
What happens now...Patrick and Fant are gone. It appears defenses were able to neutralize him even when those two were playing.
60% of their skill position TD production is gone...and they replaced them with serious JAGS.
That's going to be trouble...no matter who your QB is. [Reply]
