So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Hear me out.
Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.
The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.
Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.
Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
True fans love these kind of moves. They are thrilled with 9 10 wins and "competing" Most fans aren't like us.
Originally Posted by notorious:
Cousins is better than a lot of people give him credit for. He’s just under the Allen/Burrow tier.
Again an opinion only but I don't think its just about the physical traits and mental traits on how a QB plays in the regular season but how they approach the playoffs.
How many QB's play good during the regular season but completely lay an egg in the playoffs. Cousins is a regular season all star or at least good.. .But in the playoffs does not show up. Now if he took 10-15 mil a year which is what he is worth and they could help stack the team he would have a chance to win and maybe even go to the SB but with him taking up so much of the cap and he is just above average, he won't ever have enough to win it all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Atlanta could have signed Lamar Jackson last year and instead they are going with a brokedick 36 year old Kirk Cousins.
I am certainly no Lamar fan, but I'd rather have him than a 36 year old Kirk Cousins coming off an Achilles injury.
No one could sign Lamar. Baltimore wanted too much in return plus a team having to pay him. And he still has playoff mantra. Well plus one win.
I hope I am not wrong. But the Henry signing makes them more one dimensional. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Valiant:
No one could sign Lamar. Baltimore wanted too much in return plus a team having to pay him. And he still has playoff mantra. Well plus one win.
I hope I am not wrong. But the Henry signing makes them more one dimensional.
Lamar’s ceiling if he can get the playoff yipes out of his head is very high and even being paid 50 million a year “could” win a Super Bowl , the key is could . Cousins just isn’t that good to take up 45-60 million a year and still have a chance . He “can’t win a Super Bowl” taking up that much of the cap with his abilities .
I know the real answer has to be along the lines of “I know I’ll never win a SB but I’m going to tell whoever pays me the most money that I want to retire there (which he has said about every team blah blah blah ) and win a Super Bowl which he knows he cannot taking up that much of the cap.
A different argument all together is did he/agent fleece every team he has played for taking as much money as possible not giving a sh$t about the team and just putting together serviceable seasons , bravo . When it comes to making the most with zero back that’s Kirk , nice guy but never has really had any cities heart in mind . [Reply]
Originally Posted by synthesis2:
So I'm good with getting blasted and I'm sure I'm not looking at this right but for the life of me I don't know why anyone would want either one of these guys to be their starting QB. Hear me out.
Very few teams in the NFL win a QB with a above average QB and even fewer win with a average QB. You have to have an elite QB and not just elite during the regular season but that "it" factor in the post season where they can put the team on their back and win a series of games including the big one. Stats are just stats but having that person that can WIN in the postseason vs. one who is happy to be there.
The way I size up both QB's and I'm good with getting blasted by people here.
Fields - Completely don't get it . 2 to 1 losing record, just barely more TD's to INT's and runs for around 500-600 yards a season. Does not look like a leader in anyway and if you tell me what do you think the odds are of winning a superbowl which is the entire point of the QB I would say there is a 0% chance you can win a superbowl with him. Do I think you could be a 500 team with him? maybe but no more than that. What do I think his worth is worth? No more than Trubisky maybe 3-5 million a year and a ok backup. I have no idea what this guy has done to prove to anyone that he is a QB that can make the playoffs and then win a SB. I'd be every penny to my name he never wins a SB in his life, heck I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't playing football in 3-5 years, he just isn't that good.
Cousins- yes his story on netflix was great and seems like a nice guy but lets be real, he can put up good regular season numbers but completely falls apart in the post season. Its probably in his head but physically he just isn't a very dynamic guy. His #1 focus isn't winning a superbowl, his number one focus is getting as much money as he can, period that's all... He never gives teams hometown discounts or cares about the city or the team, just cares about himself. If you say what are the odds you can win a SB with Cousins ? If you put his regular season and post season together he is alex smith (shorter) and thats it.
you might have a 1% chance to win a SB with him if his salary is 5-10 million to get an amazing team around him to win but he isn't worth more than 10 million a year because he isn't the kind of QB that can put a team on his back and win the big one and he is on the down side of his career now so it isn't getting better. The fact that people pay him the money he wants is crazy, good for the falcons... and I'm sure winning 8,9 or 10 gams is great........ Here's reality, "your not winning a superbowl, ever " with Kurt, nice guy but not good enough to do what Mahomes does. If I'm a team I say we will give you 10 million (which he wouldnt accept because he thinks he is worth 4X that amount) or draft a rookie where you don't know the upside, I mean who cares, if you can't make the superbowl keep trying to find your diamond in the rough until you do. Cousins isn't worth much because if th goal is to win a superbowl it will never happen with him. All he cares about is money, period...
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Kirk Cousins is Trent Green
Nah.. Trent had a killer instinct in him. Look at the way he blocked or ran the ball. If he had a quarter of the defense that Pat has had he would have won a few playoff games. [Reply]
Cousins. He can actually operate an NFL offense. Fields probably will never be able to operate a real offense. His only chance is probably to have some kind of gadget offense built around him like Cam, Lamar, Jalen or Kyler. But once he's put in the position of having to operate from the pocket, in the playoffs, his goose is cooked. And once he loses a step, forget about it. [Reply]
This thread brings up an interesting point. Conventional wisdom is that the NFL is so balanced that it is unlikely teams will repeat as champions. But the reality is there are only a few quarterbacks that are elite enough so their teams are likely in contention for the Super Bowl and winning it. so if you have one of those quarterbacks, and you can build a good team around him, the odds are pretty high you will be in Super Bowl contention.
That was the case with Brady for many years. Its the case for Mahomes now.
And Kansas City really doesn’t have many real challengers. Probably only Buffalo and Cincinnati. and maybe the boroughs doesn’t even fit as an elite QB. He is too susceptible to injury. I’m sure others will argue that There are more quarterbacks that should be added to this list, but I really don’t think so. I certainly would not add Lamar or Herbert.
Looking at things this way puts a completely different perspective on the likelihood of dynasties. They are actually quite probable given how few unicorn QBs there are. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Cousins. He can actually operate an NFL offense. Fields probably will never be able to operate a real offense. His only chance is probably to have some kind of gadget offense built around him like Cam, Lamar, Jalen or Kyler. But once he's put in the position of having to operate from the pocket, in the playoffs, his goose is cooked. And once he loses a step, forget about it.
I’m not sure what you think constitutes a “real offense”, but your list of guys who run so-called gadget offenses (?) have 3 MVP’s and 2 Super Bowl appearances among them. That’s a hell of a lot more than Cousins has accomplished. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Semichief:
I’m not sure what you think constitutes a “real offense”, but your list of guys who run so-called gadget offenses (?) have 3 MVP’s and 2 Super Bowl appearances among them. That’s a hell of a lot more than Cousins has accomplished.
You don't? Seems obvious to most of the NFL. Whether you call it 'Air Raid,' or whatever, these running QBs that can only operate effectively from the shotgun/pistol/RPO where they're only asked to make one or two reads or just tuck it and run.
Hell, Spags has been running basically the same defense against all those types of QBs for years now. Take away the RBs, clog up the middle, go press vs. the outside WRs and dare these guys stand and read the defense, go through their progressions and throw from the pocket.
Which they can't do with any consistency.
I mean, with a great defense and great weapons and a really good/great coaching staff sometimes these kinds of QBs can be successful. For a season or two. But there's a reason running QBs don't win rings. just ask Steve Young. He's always said that he never would've won a ring until he finally figured out how to play QB from the pocket.
Kirk is a very good pocket passer, which means you could probably drop him into almost any team and he'd be at least functional, and more often than not, he'd win you 10 games. Put Lamar on any team where he'd be required to make pre-snap adjustments to the defensive alignments, go through his progressions, understand where his hots were, etc. and see how that works out.
Nevermind, we have a perfect example already: the second half of this past AFCCG (or pretty much every game Spags has been DC vs. BAL). Spags pushed him to stay in the pocket and give up on that RPO crap, and what happened?
Really surprised you don't see more teams, including the Seahawks themselves, build their team like when the Seahawks got Russell. And maybe that's what Pittsburgh is kinda doing. Before the Seahawks got Russell they gave Matt Flynn a big contract, traded for Charlie whitehurst yet still had the guts to go after a relatively early round QB.
Pittsburgh's approach us actually pretty reasonable as long as they don't settle for wilsok and fields. Especially for fields who is likely limited but who knows... Maybe just needs a new environment [Reply]
I also think many teams just need to get back to a winning culture. I don't care what anybody says, Alex Smith was a tremendous trade for us and getting the playoff monkey off our back was way more important than we credit for.
Chicago is making the right call. At the same time that team right now could have an outstanding team. Just as they did when they drafted trubisky. It's also kind of a risk to trade away a sure thing for a team that desperately needs a single playoff win. Again... I think they're making the right move but I also get why a safe qb makes sense in certain instances [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Basically, there are 32 teams in the NFL, but probably less than 5 QB's that can realistically win a Super Bowl.
So what do you do? Do you tank for one? Trade up? Somehow find one who's available in free agency? All of those paths are either unavailable to most teams, or have massive downsides that will end up getting you fired if it goes wrong.
This is why you sign a QB like Mayfield or Cousins, they're job security for GMs. They keep you respectable and might even win a playoff game, which for some teams and fanbases is a huge success.
The Broncos seem to have this QB thing all figured out. Just ask them. [Reply]