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DJ's left nut 09:14 AM 11-22-2024
https://open.substack.com/pub/mnchie...utm_medium=web

I don't typically re-post his stuff because I think you want to support guys trying to freelance like he does. But I think this contributes to conversation enough to be worthwhile.

Spoiler!



It's what many of us have been saying - those folks that are killing the OT play just aren't paying that much attention. Yes, it's been bad at times. No, it's not the primary problem for a great deal many of these games.

On Sunday the issues were overwhelmingly Trey Smith and Patrick Mahomes. The pass protection issues have extended well beyond the OT play. And Patrick Mahomes is the single biggest culprit to the misfiring offense (at least he was in Buffalo and that was just a continuation of what we've seen this season, IMO)
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Sassy Squatch 10:35 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Yeah, I hate questioning these guys at this point, but if that's truly what it is they are really pushing their luck.
I refuse to believe it. Mahomes is going through one of the toughest stretches of his career, and I can't imagine they'd be foolish enough to intentionally hamstring him and not put the best personnel rostered out on the field because they want to have a pick in the 130s instead of 160s.
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-King- 10:40 AM 11-22-2024
I was going to post that worthy play earlier this week. That's a perfect cover 2 beater and it's why I hate the argument that cover 2 is this great unbeatable defense that especially neutralizes this offense. It doesn't, it's that Mahomes isn't taking the shots he needs to and used to.

Watch old highlights. Mahomes used to hit that play with Tyreek against that same defense regularly. If the safety is that deep, he would laser the ball in there and allow Tyreek to either make a move on the safety and get more yards, or catch the ball and quickly get out of bounds avoiding the hit.

The plays are there. Mahomes needs to go back to hitting them.
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-King- 10:41 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
The Chiefs aren’t playing Hopkins a ton bc they want that 4th rd pick.



I know that sounds dumb but they care a lot about that kinda stuff.
I don't buy that. There's plenty of games they could taper his snaps down without hurting the team. They could give him 0 snaps this week against the Panthers and still win. The bills game is not the game to play draft pick shenanigans in.
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-King- 10:43 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
We haven’t lost a playoff game in 2 years. Until we do let's all stfu.
I too hate when people talk about the chiefs on a Chiefs forum. Why even log in to Chiefs planet if you want to talk about the Chiefs!?
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Gary Cooper 10:46 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
The Chiefs aren’t playing Hopkins a ton bc they want that 4th rd pick.



I know that sounds dumb but they care a lot about that kinda stuff.
I figure they're managing Hopkins' snaps for the postseason. He's an older player.
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PatMahomesIsGod 10:47 AM 11-22-2024
Trey’s just not a great pass blocking RG.

Better fit on a team like the Ravens.
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O.city 10:56 AM 11-22-2024
The qb isn’t playing well and hasn’t for a while

It’s a problem
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mr. tegu 10:58 AM 11-22-2024
I hate the “doesn’t trust the line excuse” with a passion. It’s a red herring for Mahomes not playing well at times.

Basically you are saying “sure the pocket was good that play, but two plays ago the line didn’t hold, so how can you expect Mahomes to be comfortable and make that obvious play this time?”
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RunKC 10:59 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
The qb isn’t playing well and hasn’t for a while

It’s a problem
I really think last year fucked him up as well as the constant changes and lack of consistency that has happened due to injuries and LT play.

He’ll work through it
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KC_Connection 11:00 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
You're an NFL quarterback. You're gonna get hit. Put your big boy pants on and play the position.
Or he could just avoid try to avoid hits until the games actually matter for this team, not meaningless November regular season games.

I imagine Mahomes wants to break every record Brady ever set. The only way he's gonna do that is if he stays about as healthy as Brady did (and that's gonna require a great offensive line to limit the amount of hits he takes).
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KC_Connection 11:01 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
The qb isn’t playing well and hasn’t for a while

It’s a problem
If you think Mahomes is playing poorly, you need to watch more QBs play in this league.
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louie aguiar 11:03 AM 11-22-2024
Damn- I love Trey Smith but that was pretty bad. I doubt Veach gives him the bag this offseason.
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mr. tegu 11:05 AM 11-22-2024
This article also puts to rest this narrative about holding back plays that fans are holding onto. They are running plays that get guys open at a fairly high rate. Mahomes is just missing them.
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KC_Connection 11:06 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I hate the “doesn’t trust the line excuse” with a passion. It’s a red herring for Mahomes not playing well at times.

Basically you are saying “sure the pocket was good that play, but two plays ago the line didn’t hold, so how can you expect Mahomes to be comfortable and make that obvious play this time?”
When Kingsley is allowing straight line blind side tackles at Mahomes' back, you don't think that's going to have consequences going forward for the rest of the game in how Mahomes plays the position?
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New World Order 11:08 AM 11-22-2024
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Or he could just avoid try to avoid hits until the games actually matter for this team, not meaningless November regular season games.

I imagine Mahomes wants to break every record Brady ever set. The only way he's gonna do that is if he stays about as healthy as Brady did (and that's gonna require a great offensive line to limit the amount of hits he takes).
Mahomes gets hit too much, sometimes because of the way he plays to play as long as Brady did.

He’s going to have to be better than Brady by the time he hits 40
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