Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Only have Thuney for 1 more year in all likelihood. And any contract can be made palatable for a season.
But we've said for years that sooner or later Mahomes will have to do more and more as his contract gets more and more expensive. And some of those sacrifices have obviously been made with his weapons. The next may well be on the IOL.
I've actually been pretty shocked by the Chiefs willingness to cut corners at OT given Reid's history with the shell concept. But I feel like this may be similar to how they've handled WR over the next year or two. They'll look for solid veteran stopgaps while dedicating additional resources in the draft to rebuilding the depth chart.
Honestly I still wonder if that's not why they're seemingly opposed to Wanya Morris at LT - I think they really would like to see him take over for Smith at RG. And I think that would be a pretty nice little move for KC.
Honestly if the Chiefs took a highly rated G prospect in the first rd to replace Thuney I wouldn’t be mad.
A guy like Graham Barton for example. I think IOL is more important to Mahomes than tackles. He can maneuver the tackle problems but not interior pressure.
It’s not that likely to me but if it happened I’d be more than fine with it [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Honestly if the Chiefs took a highly rated G prospect in the first rd to replace Thuney I wouldn’t be mad.
A guy like Graham Barton for example. I think IOL is more important to Mahomes than tackles. He can maneuver the tackle problems but not interior pressure.
It’s not that likely to me but if it happened I’d be more than fine with it
If FAU, Worthy, and Kingsley have good seasons, I'd be even more for it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
But we've said for years that sooner or later Mahomes will have to do more and more as his contract gets more and more expensive.
This logic seemed sound at the time, but I'm not sure people anticipated how many teams would give their inferior QBs ridiculous new deals on par with Mahomes. This should only help the Chiefs with more available dollars for signing other players when compared to the rest of the league. If Mahomes remains content with the current contract, the Chiefs should be in a pretty strong position with building the roster at this point thanks to the rest of the NFL overspending on their QBs.
*** Edit *** Sorry - just noticed the "Mahomes isn't underpaid" string that is more or less the same discussion. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Honestly if the Chiefs took a highly rated G prospect in the first rd to replace Thuney I wouldn’t be mad.
A guy like Graham Barton for example. I think IOL is more important to Mahomes than tackles. He can maneuver the tackle problems but not interior pressure.
It’s not that likely to me but if it happened I’d be more than fine with it
I still think you focus on positional value.
The odds of me getting someone 90% as good as Barton in the 2nd or 3rd rounds is substantially higher than me getting a valuable pass rusher or OT in those rounds.
I think you just keep playing large numbers and see how it goes. [Reply]
If Suamataia pans out, it really does free up the next draft. And I think OG and DT seem to be the most obvious fits. All that said, getting deals done with Creed and Butker now makes a ton of sense. I think Bolton is the most difficult to deal with. I'm all for paying him market price, I just don't want to overpay the dude. LB market as we have seen is all over the place. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I still think you focus on positional value.
The odds of me getting someone 90% as good as Barton in the 2nd or 3rd rounds is substantially higher than me getting a valuable pass rusher or OT in those rounds.
I think you just keep playing large numbers and see how it goes.
Keep swinging your pick at T's, DE's, WR's and DT's in the first.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Only have Thuney for 1 more year in all likelihood. And any contract can be made palatable for a season.
But we've said for years that sooner or later Mahomes will have to do more and more as his contract gets more and more expensive. And some of those sacrifices have obviously been made with his weapons. The next may well be on the IOL.
I've actually been pretty shocked by the Chiefs willingness to cut corners at OT given Reid's history with the shell concept. But I feel like this may be similar to how they've handled WR over the next year or two. They'll look for solid veteran stopgaps while dedicating additional resources in the draft to rebuilding the depth chart.
Honestly I still wonder if that's not why they're seemingly opposed to Wanya Morris at LT - I think they really would like to see him take over for Smith at RG. And I think that would be a pretty nice little move for KC.
Yeah, we have to resign those two even if they get paid as the highest in the game. They are the best C and K in the game.
How many times has Butker made a long kick to save the game or give Mahomes another shot to win? Thats sooo valuable. Look what happened to Buffalo....wide right on an average kick length. We all assume the guy is going to make it when he lines up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I still think you focus on positional value.
The odds of me getting someone 90% as good as Barton in the 2nd or 3rd rounds is substantially higher than me getting a valuable pass rusher or OT in those rounds.
I think you just keep playing large numbers and see how it goes.
Well deserved for both these guys. Now let's have Creed hit Mahomes in the numbers with 95%+ of his shotgun snaps this season. And Butker can just do what Butker does; we don't win it all last season without him.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah, I love Smith. Great attitude, good bit of nasty to have on the line. Smart, physical player and a real nice complementary part on the OL.
But this is a passing team and he's more of a road-grater of an IOL. He's just not quite the right fit. He has more value to a team like the Titans or Ravens or even 49ers than he has to us.
I think we have to mentally prepare for him moving on. It just doesn't make sense for this team to pay $20 million to an OG. Especially when said OG isn't a premier pass protector.
I hate this take, but I agree with it. Smith is nasty when he's on, but he'd be the prototypical guard in a Harbaugh offense. He'd definitely been more than adequate for us, but he'd shine in a run first offense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
Well deserved for both these guys. Now let's have Creed hit Mahomes in the numbers with 95%+ of his shotgun snaps this season. And Butker can just do what Butker does; we don't win it all last season without him.
I hate this take, but I agree with it. Smith is nasty when he's on, but he'd be the prototypical guard in a Harbaugh offense. He'd definitely been more than adequate for us, but he'd shine in a run first offense.
I still love the fact that if Butker stays in KC with Mahomes and they both retire at the same time (while continuing at this level of performance) it will be BUTKER that is the all time leader in playoff games played, not Mahomes.
And there's a non-zero chance that it happens. [Reply]