Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO:
Everyone is taking their stance way too far
I haven't changed my stance. I stated in January that I felt Mahomes would be a great pick for the Chiefs but that they'd need to move up to get him.
Several people in this forum said they wouldn't touch before the 3rd round because he's so raw.
Since the Chiefs drafted him and it's close to training camp, people are suddenly saying that he should be the starter this year, that's he's pushing Alex Smith or that he should start after the Bye.
There isn't one person that watched his film or scouted him that thought there was any possibility that he'd be "ready" to play in 2017.
It's pretty clear that you haven't watch any footage of the kid, haven't read a scouting report and in general, don't understand that a 21 year old kid that's never played under center isn't going to beat out a 13 veteran with a track record of winning, just because he has a great arm.
There's FAR more to the QB position than having a great arm.
And Mahomes is in his infancy learning the position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I haven't changed my stance. I stated in January that I felt Mahomes would be a great pick for the Chiefs but that they'd need to move up to get him.
Several people in this forum said they wouldn't touch before the 3rd round because he's so raw.
Since the Chiefs drafted him and it's close to training camp, people are suddenly saying that he should be the starter this year, that's he's pushing Alex Smith or that he should start after the Bye.
There isn't one person that watched his film or scouted him that thought there was any possibility that he'd be "ready" to play in 2017.
But Chiefsplanet.
I started a thread that the Chiefs needed to trade up to 10 a month or two before the draft to get the QB they wanted.
It's pretty clear that you haven't watch any footage of the kid, haven't read a scouting report and in general, don't understand that a 21 year old kid that's never played under center isn't going to beat out a 13 veteran with a track record of winning, just because he has a great arm.
There's FAR more to the QB position than having a great arm.
And Mahomes is in his infancy learning the position.
You advocated that the Chiefs trade up less than 20 days from draft day but you didn't say for whom.
Also, everything else in your post was incorrect. The "run" on QB's started at #2 overall, Cleveland didn't trade for Garopollo, Arizona didn't take a QB, the Saints didn't take a QB, neither did Washington.
But once again, you've changed your opinion since Mahomes was drafted.
Silliness abounds.
Originally Posted by Coogs:
This is all about where I think the 4 QB's are going to go in the draft, with regards to what has been happening in free agency. Consensus is that none of the top 4 are ready to start day one, and will need a year of coaching up
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
I haven't changed my stance. I stated in January that I felt Mahomes would be a great pick for the Chiefs but that they'd need to move up to get him.
Several people in this forum said they wouldn't touch before the 3rd round because he's so raw.
Since the Chiefs drafted him and it's close to training camp, people are suddenly saying that he should be the starter this year, that's he's pushing Alex Smith or that he should start after the Bye.
There isn't one person that watched his film or scouted him that thought there was any possibility that he'd be "ready" to play in 2017.
But Chiefsplanet.
My stance on Mahomes as far as when he should start and what not is that I believe the evidence suggests that it may be a very bad idea to start him this year or rush him into the position before he is ready. I'd rather put Bray in there...
However, I love reading that he wants to take Alex's position ASAP. I don't think he should start if anything happens to Smith...but it's nice hearing/reading things that indicate that he has competitive side that is apparently so prevalent that he wants to take Alex's job this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Wow, that's really prescient.
You advocated that the Chiefs trade up less than 20 days from draft day but you didn't say for whom.
Also, everything else in your post was incorrect. The "run" on QB's started at #2 overall, Cleveland didn't trade for Garopollo, Arizona didn't take a QB, the Saints didn't take a QB, neither did Washington.
But once again, you've changed your opinion since Mahomes was drafted.
Silliness abounds.
Just showing you weren't alone on the trade up. I was in on Watson/Mahomes or Mahomes/Watson. I didn't care which way. [Reply]
Originally Posted by rico:
My stance on Mahomes as far as when he should start and what not is that I believe the evidence suggests that it may be a very bad idea to start him this year or rush him into the position before he is ready. I'd rather put Bray in there...
However, I love reading that he wants to take Alex's position ASAP. I don't think he should start if anything happens to Smith...but it's nice hearing/reading things that indicate that he has competitive side that is apparently so prevalent that he wants to take Alex's job this year.
Personally, I love the kid and I think he has the ability to a superstar.
But it's going to take time and that's okay.
In the meantime, there will be people screaming for him at the top of kings when Alex makes a bad play but I think Alex can handle it.
There's nothing wrong with an 11-5 or 12-4 record while grooming the next QB. [Reply]
