The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
Mahomes wins it in 2015 and probably at least one more too. They should have played him in the 2017 playoffs. Golden opportunity missed. Nick Foles won it that year for God’s sake.
Exactly like NE, Philly was 13-3 that regular season with a +162 point differential. They were a great team that had dominated MN 38-7 in NFC championship game.
Philly's offensive line was great that year like they have been this year. It enabled Carson Wentz to be leading MVP candidate before he went down and Foles to win Super Bowl MVP. And New England's defense couldn't pressure him, secondary was compromised and front 7 just wasn't tough enough without Hightower.
Trying to beat both NE and Philly in 2017 would be a tough task for rookie Mahomes/KC. NE's team was markedly better in 2017 than 2018 even if their defense wasn't at its best in playoffs.
The big opportunity the Chiefs missed with Mahomes on the team was 2018 since I can't picture the 2018 injured Rams beating the Chiefs in sB. That NE team was not that great by SB standards. In terms of talent, 2nd weakest SB winning Patriots team and much weaker than 2010 Patriots that lost in first round of playoffs. In a different sort of way, NE matched up well with KC like last years Cincy team but that 2018 NE team played its A- game and Chiefs played their B game.
But how you play on any given Sunday and matchups matters.
A bunch of teams that can do what ifs. Rams probably beat Patriots in 2018 SB if they had Cooper Kupp who was having a very good year before injury and their running back was healthy. Tampa probably repeats in easier fashion last year if every team had all of their players full healthy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Anyone with a clue beyond their fanboi fandumb and looking at it from all sides of the ball.
We lost a 2 possession lead because the defense couldn't stop the Bengals offense from scoring more points. We lost because the defense couldn't stop them in 3rd and forever if their life depended on it.
Point I'm trying to make is it always is a 2 way street. You can pick and choose any reason you want to find. The offense built a 2 possession lead. The Defensive Coordinator that you want to fall on the sword for has made public claims that his defensive scheme plays it's best when the offense has built a lead. Yet, that never seems to be the happen.
Hold him accountable for his responsibilities. So many times it has been bad from his end. For just an example that is quick off my memory. There was an instance last week where it was 3rd and 4, Denver had the ball and he takes Willie Gay his best sideline to sideline LB off the field to insert a 4th CB. Denver converts the 3rd down with the RB picking up the 1st and eventually goes on to score. Point is this, put your best players on the field in those crucial situations. They don't convert there and they don't go on down and score. And this was with the shitty ass denver offense.
Bengals and the Bills have to be licking their chops to face his defense again with dumb calls like that.
Lol, wut?
The Chiefs offense scored just 3 points in the 2nd half of that game. No one is winning a playoff game scoring 3 points in a half. [Reply]
Originally Posted by stevegroganfan:
Exactly like NE, Philly was 13-3 that regular season with a +162 point differential. They were a great team that had dominated MN 38-7 in NFC championship game.
Philly's offensive line was great that year like they have been this year. It enabled Carson Wentz to be leading MVP candidate before he went down and Foles to win Super Bowl MVP. And New England's defense couldn't pressure him, secondary was compromised and front 7 just wasn't tough enough without Hightower.
Trying to beat both NE and Philly in 2017 would be a tough task for rookie Mahomes/KC. NE's team was markedly better in 2017 than 2018 even if their defense wasn't at its best in playoffs.
The big opportunity the Chiefs missed with Mahomes on the team was 2018 since I can't picture the 2018 injured Rams beating the Chiefs in sB. That NE team was not that great by SB standards. In terms of talent, 2nd weakest SB winning Patriots team and much weaker than 2010 Patriots that lost in first round of playoffs. In a different sort of way, NE matched up well with KC like last years Cincy team but that 2018 NE team played its A- game and Chiefs played their B game.
But how you play on any given Sunday and matchups matters.
A bunch of teams that can do what ifs. Rams probably beat Patriots in 2018 SB if they had Cooper Kupp who was having a very good year before injury and their running back was healthy. Tampa probably repeats in easier fashion last year if every team had all of their players full healthy.
I know it was early in the year, but 2017 NE was blown out at home by Alex Smith. And they didn’t exactly face murderers row in the playoffs (Mariota and Bortles at home, then Foles). Hard for me to believe that team was markedly better than one that swept Mahomes and one of the best offenses in NFL history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RubberSponge:
Anyone with a clue beyond their fanboi fandumb and looking at it from all sides of the ball.
We lost a 2 possession lead because the defense couldn't stop the Bengals offense from scoring more points. We lost because the defense couldn't stop them in 3rd and forever if their life depended on it.
Point I'm trying to make is it always is a 2 way street. You can pick and choose any reason you want to find. The offense built a 2 possession lead. The Defensive Coordinator that you want to fall on the sword for has made public claims that his defensive scheme plays it's best when the offense has built a lead. Yet, that never seems to be the happen.
Hold him accountable for his responsibilities. So many times it has been bad from his end. For just an example that is quick off my memory. There was an instance last week where it was 3rd and 4, Denver had the ball and he takes Willie Gay his best sideline to sideline LB off the field to insert a 4th CB. Denver converts the 3rd down with the RB picking up the 1st and eventually goes on to score. Point is this, put your best players on the field in those crucial situations. They don't convert there and they don't go on down and score. And this was with the shitty ass denver offense.
Bengals and the Bills have to be licking their chops to face his defense again with dumb calls like that.
Is this a joke?
We gave up 24 points to an elite offense. 7 of those points coming off an interception. We intercepted the ball on a critical possession and we threw and out’ed it. We won the coin toss and we gift wrapped them the winning score with an interception.
We gave up 24 points despite our offense giving our defense horrible field position and putting them on the field the entire second half.
What halfway reasonable person blames the bengals loss on our defense. That is a stretch Armstrong reach right there. Our second half offense wasn’t just bad. It was on another level of terrible [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
You make a lot of disingenuous points.
Let’s look at it this way…do teams win playoff games with 24 points? Yes, they do.
yes they do. In the playoffs? Against a team that's just about as good on offense? In what universe is 3 points in an entire half going to be good enough unless we're talking about complete outlier games? This isn't the 60s-90s anymore. There's no 85 Bears defense on our horizon with the way games are officiated these days.
This is what the NFL and the fans wanted. More scoring. So no, 3 pts in a half is not going to do it in 2022. Believe what you want, bud. But you can't win in this era scoring a FG in a half in the playoffs, barring wild extenuating circumstances. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
yes they do. In the playoffs? Against a team that's just about as good on offense? In what universe is 3 points in an entire half going to be good enough unless we're talking about complete outlier games? This isn't the 60s-90s anymore. There's no 85 Bears defense on our horizon with the way games are officiated these days.
This is what the NFL and the fans wanted. More scoring. So no, 3 pts in a half is not going to do it in 2022. Believe what you want, bud. But you can't win in this era scoring a FG in a half in the playoffs, barring wild extenuating circumstances.
Very true. The key to winning in this league now is to have an elite offense and a competent defense that can pressure the QB. [Reply]
Clark is what he is
Karlaftis is getting close but is still green
Danna only flashes once in a blue moon
Dunlap makes plays in other ways, but doesn't visit the backfield enough
They all hustle and try hard, but we simply don't have a speedy spark that takes everything up a notch [Reply]
The Team stats vs. HOU. The defense dominated. The issue, again, was turnovers. Well, and that completely moronic "illegal blindside block" on Jerrick. HOU was gifted five 1st downs by penalty. otherwise, they only converted 4 3rd downs out of 10. Gained less than 4 yds/play, less than 100 yds rushing, barely over 100 yds passing. just have to stop turning the ball over multiple times on our side of the field! https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup/_/gameId/401437909 [Reply]
This offseason the vast majority of people on CP wanted a change at OC: basically anyone but Bieniemy or Nagy. Many wanted us to get the young wunderkind OC from Kentucky Liam Coen and were disappointed when he instead went to the Rams.
Fast forward and the Chiefs have the best offense in the league, the Rams have one of the worst, and Liam Coen has ignominiously returned to Kentucky as OC.
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
This offseason the vast majority of people on CP wanted a change at OC: basically anyone but Bieniemy or Nagy. Many wanted us to get the young wunderkind OC from Kentucky Liam Coen and were disappointed when he instead went to the Rams.
Fast forward and the Chiefs have the best offense in the league, the Rams have one of the worst, and Liam Coen has ignominiously returned to Kentucky as OC.
Just a cautionary tale.
It’s almost as if the Chiefs know better than the fans. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
yes they do. In the playoffs? Against a team that's just about as good on offense? In what universe is 3 points in an entire half going to be good enough unless we're talking about complete outlier games? This isn't the 60s-90s anymore. There's no 85 Bears defense on our horizon with the way games are officiated these days.
This is what the NFL and the fans wanted. More scoring. So no, 3 pts in a half is not going to do it in 2022. Believe what you want, bud. But you can't win in this era scoring a FG in a half in the playoffs, barring wild extenuating circumstances.
You’re right. 3 points in the 2nd half just wasn’t enough. They needed 4. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
You’re right. 3 points in the 2nd half just wasn’t enough. They needed 4.
The point was that it’s not just about the lack of points. It’s the back to back to back three and outs. Which hurts field position and tires the defense out. It was our back breaking interception. It’s winning the coin toss then throwing a pick and gifting the bengals a go ahead score. You can’t go up against burrow and think that’s acceptable. The offense lost us this game. For a guy who apologizes constantly for mahomes without a shadow of a doubt this loss was on the offense. [Reply]