Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
Brady isn't to blame for losing to Nick Foles. He threw for over 500 yards in that game with 3 TDs and no INT. It was probably Brady's best Super Bowl performance.
Their defense lost the game for them.
A loss is a loss. The guy was a backup fgs [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I’ve said a few times over the past year, the way this whole team was about nothing but the threepeat — and they were whether they say it or not — I’m so damn glad that’s over.
It invited complacency and boredom throughout the season. Think it had an impact on our focus and attention to detail weeks 1-18.
If we win Sunday, we get another season of that at minimum — “four in a row!!”
I wish they’d won, but I’ll be damn glad to get back to focusing on exectution and earning your keep week after week. Mahomes the game manager was needed in 2023 with that defense and lack of receivers. But ENOUGH.
This offense better resemble a lot more 2022 than 2024 coming next fall. That’s what we want and what we need. And much will fall on Patrick to make it happen.
Yep, as painful as it is, we probably needed another playoff loss to make some improvement.
There’s never any incentive to change things when you’re successful, you just do the same thing you did the year before and run it back.
After the Patriots AFFCG loss we realized we needed a better DC. We got Steve Spagnuolo.
After the Bucs Super Bowl we realized we needed better O-Line. We gave Pat a line he was comfortable enough with for the next few years to win MVP and a couple Super Bowls.
After the Bengals loss we realized it was time to sell high on Tyreek. We parlayed him into a few great players that sparked two Super Bowls.
And now the lesson here is that we need O-Line again, and that Patrick needs to go deep into the lab this offseason and do some soul searching.
He needs to reinvent and reinvigorate himself. His play has not been to his standard the last couple years but it’s been hard to criticize him too harshly because we’ve kept winning.
But maybe this loss will wake him up a bit and make him realize he has a lot of work to do.
That’s my hope anyway and I believe it’ll happen. [Reply]
Mahomes won a SB over that same ridiculously talented Philadelphia Eagles roster two years ago with the following WRs: Juju Smith-Schuster, Justin Watson, Kadarius Toney, and Skyy Moore.
And we're saying he doesn't elevate his teammates now in comparison to Tom ****ing Brady? The guy who regularly played behind some of the most dominant defenses of this century? Don't give me that shit. There's not a single player in NFL history who has done or could do more than what Mahomes has done with less and the stats to this point in his career support that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
Mahomes won a SB over that same ridiculously talented Philadelphia Eagles roster two years ago with the following WRs: Juju Smith-Schuster, Justin Watson, Kadarius Toney, and Skyy Moore.
And we're saying he doesn't elevate his teammates now in comparison to Tom ****ing Brady? The guy who regularly played behind some of the most dominant defenses of this century? Don't give me that shit. There's not a single player in NFL history who has done or could do more than what Mahomes has done with less and the stats to this point in his career support that.
The Patrick Mahomes that did that is not the same Patrick Mahomes we got this year.
He CAN elevate guys around him, but he can’t do it if he’s going to play at the level he did this year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Yep, as painful as it is, we probably needed another playoff loss to make some improvement.
There’s never any incentive to change things when you’re successful, you just do the same thing you did the year before and run it back.
After the Patriots AFFCG loss we realized we needed a better DC. We got Steve Spagnuolo.
After the Bucs Super Bowl we realized we needed better O-Line. We gave Pat a line he was comfortable enough with for the next few years to win MVP and a couple Super Bowls.
After the Bengals loss we realized it was time to sell high on Tyreek. We parlayed him into a few great players that sparked two Super Bowls.
And now the lesson here is that we need O-Line again, and that Patrick needs to go deep into the lab this offseason and do some soul searching.
He needs to reinvent and reinvigorate himself. His play has not been to his standard the last couple years but it’s been hard to criticize him too harshly because we’ve kept winning.
But maybe this loss will wake him up a bit and make him realize he has a lot of work to do.
That’s my hope anyway and I believe it’ll happen.
I wish it was a playoff loss. Nobody cares about that. A SB loss stays forever and will be brought up every time Mahomes is talked about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
The Patrick Mahomes that did that is not the same Patrick Mahomes we got this year.
He CAN elevate guys around him, but he can’t do it if he’s going to play at the level he did this year.
Again, his level was just fine after early September (bad OL play) until Sunday night (bad OL play) and it is revisionist history to now say it wasn't simply because they had a bad game at the end.
The last thing I'm worried about with this organization is Patrick fucking Mahomes. [Reply]
On the other end of that token can you give Mahomes a bit more of a helping hand? Pointing out a small handful of seasons out of Tom Brady's 23 year career where he elevated inferior parts as a standard Mahomes should constantly uphold is off to me too. There's a happy balance here somewhere. [Reply]
Originally Posted by comochiefsfan:
Yep, as painful as it is, we probably needed another playoff loss to make some improvement.
There’s never any incentive to change things when you’re successful, you just do the same thing you did the year before and run it back.
After the Patriots AFFCG loss we realized we needed a better DC. We got Steve Spagnuolo.
After the Bucs Super Bowl we realized we needed better O-Line. We gave Pat a line he was comfortable enough with for the next few years to win MVP and a couple Super Bowls.
After the Bengals loss we realized it was time to sell high on Tyreek. We parlayed him into a few great players that sparked two Super Bowls.
And now the lesson here is that we need O-Line again, and that Patrick needs to go deep into the lab this offseason and do some soul searching.
He needs to reinvent and reinvigorate himself. His play has not been to his standard the last couple years but it’s been hard to criticize him too harshly because we’ve kept winning.
But maybe this loss will wake him up a bit and make him realize he has a lot of work to do.
That’s my hope anyway and I believe it’ll happen.
Huh? They've just stood pat the past couple offseasons/regular seasons, that's what we're going with now? [Reply]
Tom Brady won a championship in 2018 with Trent Brown, a cast-off RT who was forced to start at LT after their presumed starter was injured and lost for the season in camp. He had Marcus Cannon, past his prime and never very good to begin with, at RT. His IOL was Andrews, Mason and Thuney -- a good IOL, but not great. He was throwing to a washed Edelman, Gronk on his way out of the league and Josh Gordon. None of them had more than 850 yards receiving.
In 2015 he threw for 4700 yards and a 36/7 TD/INT ratio with Sebastian Volmer and a pile of scraps at LT along with 3 rookies on his interior line and that very same pretty average Marcus Cannon at RT. He was throwing to Gronk, Edelman (who missed about half the season) Danny Amendola and Brandon LaFell.
I've spent decades watching Brady, Manning and Montana MAKE their offensive linemen. And they never did that by running around with their hair on fire -- they did it by running the offense on time. All too often, Mahomes doesn't. That's when he gets in trouble. He was at his best THIS season when he was just working the offense and getting the ball out on time.
I just can't get over the deep shot he pulled down Sunday. A high/low, 2-man route combination designed to create a look that depended entirely what the safety does. He looked right at the play. He saw the safety sink on the 'low' with Kelce. He had Worthy even with Mitchell knowing full well how fast Worthy is.
The play did exactly what it was designed to do. And he just wouldn't throw the ball.
It was over right then. I mean it was over BEFORE then, but that was the moment that it was clear that he just wasn't sharp.
And as he demonstrated against Pittsburgh and Houston and even Buffalo - the rest of this is bullshit. I said it BEFORE the Buffalo game that the guy we start at OT barely even matters -- what matters is that Mahomes comes out confident and decisive. When he does, the rest of it takes care of itself. When he doesn't, all hell breaks loose and every weakness we have on the roster is exacerbated. When he's good, the offense is good. When he's bad, it isn't.
The problem with the Chiefs offense, for 2 seasons now, has been the consistency or lack thereof of Patrick Mahomes.
He's still incredibly young in QB years. And he's been under STUPID amounts of pressure. I understand why some of these things happen with him.
But if he has a 3rd straight year of it...well, he's a pretty big part of that throughput. And "He doesn't trust X" is just ridiculous at this point. The Mount Rushmore QBs were asked to find the trust and figure it out. And Mahomes BELONGS on that Mount Rushmore -- so why shouldn't we expect him to build that trust? We've seen lesser talents than him do it with worse weapons. Or with equally bad OL.
I don't give a shit where he stands in relation to Lamar or Allen or whatever. He's an historic tier guy and that's the standard he should be held to. And those guys? They figured it out.
Mahomes isn't Brady who was a statue. I went back and looked at his 2018 highlights and he was moving around alot but also he was throwing passes under 2.5 seconds. This year he has taken more sacks then at any point in his career with 36 and his net yards per attempt the lowest in his career as well.
The Oline play is a huge reason for that along with this below. Veach and Reid need to fix the OLine.
#Chiefs yards per play rank in the Patrick Mahomes era:
Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
Brady isn't to blame for losing to Nick Foles. He threw for over 500 yards in that game with 3 TDs and no INT. It was probably Brady's best Super Bowl performance.
Their defense lost the game for them.
One of the few playoff losses Brady had where he actually played well, it's true. Brady had tons of poor playoff performances though. Unlike Mahomes (who elevates to an unprecedented extent in the playoff), Brady's level statistically dropped quite a bit come playoff time. That gets hidden because he played so ****ing long on so many great teams, but it's the reality. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
On the other end of that token can you give Mahomes a bit more of a helping hand? Pointing out a small handful of seasons out of Tom Brady's 23 year career where he elevated inferior parts as a standard Mahomes should constantly uphold is off to me too. There's a happy balance here somewhere.
Yeah Patriots fans can agree that Bill's later drafts and moves weren't the best. Brady had to raise the level of play out of necessity because Bill put him in that position. [Reply]
