Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by wbbonneriii:
What is stupid about it? The part that Brady had to be carried to his super bowls early in his career? The potential fact that PM15 could regress due to focusing more time on his family (versus football)? What is stupid about it? Please share?
Originally Posted by wbbonneriii:
BTW, my prediction for PM15 is that he has a similar career drop just like Brady...I think PM15 is going to slip back to being a good but not great QB in the next few years as he focuses on his family (which is candidly way more important than football as we all know) and you will see him not have the success he once had (similar to what Brady encountered for a different reason). Brady had to learn to play QB at an elite level (after his initial super bowls that were delivered by his defense), while I see PM15 regression not due to him learning to play the position (like Brady had to), but rather due to family / personal reasons. I think he is such a great dude that he is going to enjoy being a dad and that will take some focus away from him. No other amazing QB (Brady, Montana, Staubach, Bradshaw, Aikman, etc.), started a family early in their career like PM15 has done but to me it is what makes PM15 so darn great...his qualities in life go way beyond what you see on the field and his desire to be a great husband and dad will take a small toll on his QB play (it has to a bit).
This said, he is so young and when he reaches 35 (and is ready to win a few more rings), he will do it when others could not and you will see a few more rings come KC's way...this is my prediction.
This is just so unbelievably dumb and shows a complete lack of understanding of who we're dealing with here. If you think Mahomes' response to this embarrassing ending of a season is to fall back and focus on family, then you haven't been fucking paying attention to Patrick Mahomes.
He's finally going to have a great young WR duo starting next year, and you think now is when he regresses? If anything, his numbers should go up compared to the last couple of years.
It's just insanely stupid and naive to assume that Pat's career is going to mirror Brady's to the point that he also goes 10 years without winning a SB, and does it willingly or by design :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
This is just so unbelievably dumb and shows a complete lack of understanding of who we're dealing with here. If you think Mahomes' response to this embarrassing ending of a season is to fall back and focus on family, then you haven't been ****ing paying attention to Patrick Mahomes.
He's finally going to have a great young WR duo starting next year, and you think now is when he regresses? If anything, his numbers should go up compared to the last couple of years.
It's just insanely stupid and naive to assume that Pat's career is going to mirror Brady's to the point that he also goes 10 years without winning a SB, and does it willingly :-)
Yeah, he’s about to go into nuclear mindset mode unlike we’ve seen since Tyreek left and everyone wrote him off.
Now they’re going to try to write him off again for other reasons.
I’ll die on the hill that Buffalo and Baltimore might have had fun Sunday night, but it was the worst thing for their own Super Bowl chances next year. The king is pissed, and he had a chance to be quite complacent with a win. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
So, as a glutton for punishment, I decide to go look at the PFF grades.
They gave Thuney a 60.7 pass block grade. Taylor got a 57.3.
I mean, I fucking have EYES. I know better, PFF. But hey, I think "well maybe I'm missing something in their grading..."
Thuney gave up 6 pressures and a sack by their own grading system. Taylor? 2 pressures, zero sacks.
And graded worse than Thuney.
I mean fuck me, why do they even bother? They clearly just made shit up for that grade. It makes zero sense. In theory a 60+ grade is adequate. Not good, but pretty much a fringe starting caliber performance. That most assuredly is not what we got at LT on Sunday.
I mean you say Thuney was as bad as Kingsley and honestly, you might be doing a disservice to Kingsley. I'm re-watching this as well and am just FLOORED by how bad Thuney was.
I have no fucking clue what a 'Jalyx Hunt' is, but I saw him simply run straight through Thuney's chest like the guy wasn't even there. I mean its play after play after play.
As bad as it seemed in real-time, it's worse on rewatch. He embarrassed himself. I don't know that I've ever seen a guy look that overmatched that routinely.
Wow. Just...wow.
He is a HOF LG, not a tackle for a reason. [Reply]
The way people are disrespecting Pat just because of his greatness is crazy. But if we have to suffer now in order to make him better moving forward then I'll take it. I saw Brady get interviewed before the game and he spoke about how Spags totally fooled him in 2007 and it made him have to rethink everything. So when we played them vs Tampa he was so obsessed with learning Spags scheme and the tendencies of the defense during the two week break that there was no way he was gonna be fooled again. I don't know what Pat does now but that is something he needs if he's not doing it already. Studying some games is one thing. Learning every detail is another. Because sometimes I feel like Pat is too loyal to Andy's scheme and that might need to change now.
I remember a few years ago Pat was asked what he wanted to improve on in the offseason. And he said "nothing much. Just fundamentals in my footwork". That can't be the mindset this offseason.
1. Deep ball
2. Throwing seam balls
3. Throwing jump balls
4. Throwing back-shoulder fades
5. Cadence to catch defenses offside
6. Ability to catch defenses trying to sub players
7. Work on throwing mechanics
8. Ability inside the ten to rush for TD's
Basically all the things he's either not done well lately or has stayed away from. Everything has to be on the table now.
Not saying he has to completely change himself. I just want him to add much more arrows than he's ever had to his bow. That's all. So that maybe a bad line doesn't completely ruin a game moving forward. [Reply]
:-) Good Lord. Go back and look at the Brady slander for over a decade on this board and elsewhere. That's always been a part of being a GOAT, folks are desperate for your time to be over [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I'm gonna ignore the Orlando situation and focus on an easier option. Donovan Smith was available for cheap. He helped this team win a championship last year. Patrick trusted him in those Playoff games a year ago. And the team just let Donovan sit there on the couch instead of giving him a call, especially when it became obvious there was a problem with Kingsley & Wanya at the LT spot.
Donovan Smith was available for cheap because he's DONE. He can't play football anymore. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) Good Lord. Go back and look at the Brady slander for over a decade on this board and elsewhere. That's always been a part of being a GOAT, folks are desperate for your time to be over
I always felt so elated when Brady/NE lost Super Bowls. The one vs. Eli to keep them from going undefeated was extra special.
This just comes with the territory.
Again, if we just play law of averages, comp Mahomes' age to guys who play similar styles (Rodgers, Stafford), consider that he has a better work ethic than those guys...
The overwhelming odds would suggest we've got about 10 more years of this. The roster is in good shape right now, needs to be replenished depth wise with a LT fix. Do that and we are a final four team for at least the next two years.
Thank God Veach has the Sneed pick right now (he wouldn't have helped us win Sunday). Little sliver of extra optimism entering the draft to hopefully get that guy or two we need. [Reply]
Brady shouldn't be called the GOAT when you are part of 3 cheating scandals. Bill especially either. NFL burned an entire library of video tapes and playbooks stolen from other teams. Ther investigation waws killed in a matter of days to save the brand. Don't talk to me about flags when we had 13 thrown on us in the SB against him in the first half alone. Then suddenly none in the second half. There was a ton of talk during that game about it being dirty including from Chris Simms it was so bad. Right after the game everyone fell in line and said nothing.
Brady is a media driven GOAT. They like him and anytime he played bad it was never his fault. Any time they won with him playing bad and being carried by a defense he still got the credit. Mahomes never gets that treatment. Instead, we get coaching staffs accusing the league ad player accusing the league of being rigged.
We played bad for sure, but you could tell from the first quarter how the game was going to go with flags. McDuffie PF and the Bolton PF were completely ridiculous. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
The way people are disrespecting Pat just because of his greatness is crazy. But if we have to suffer now in order to make him better moving forward then I'll take it. I saw Brady get interviewed before the game and he spoke about how Spags totally fooled him in 2007 and it made him have to rethink everything. So when we played them vs Tampa he was so obsessed with learning Spags scheme and the tendencies of the defense during the two week break that there was no way he was gonna be fooled again. I don't know what Pat does now but that is something he needs if he's not doing it already. Studying some games is one thing. Learning every detail is another. Because sometimes I feel like Pat is too loyal to Andy's scheme and that might need to change now.
I remember a few years ago Pat was asked what he wanted to improve on in the offseason. And he said "nothing much. Just fundamentals in my footwork". That can't be the mindset this offseason.
1. Deep ball
2. Throwing seam balls
3. Throwing jump balls
4. Throwing back-shoulder fades
5. Cadence to catch defenses offside
6. Ability to catch defenses trying to sub players
7. Work on throwing mechanics
8. Ability inside the ten to rush for TD's
Basically all the things he's either not done well lately or has stayed away from. Everything has to be on the table now.
Not saying he has to completely change himself. I just want him to add much more arrows than he's ever had to his bow. That's all. So that maybe a bad line doesn't completely ruin a game moving forward.
Yeah I think he needs to spend a lot of time with worthy in the lab. Hopefully Hollywood too.
I don’t know how you solve this but there seems to be a footwork issue but not in the traditional sense. I feel like his issue is that he doesn’t throw as good of a ball when his footwork is right. At least for passes that require a little more finesse. He is way more accurate throwing a touch deep ball when he’s moving or he’s drafting back or to the side. His absurd ability to throw off platform may be hurting his ability to throw with his feet set. It always feels like he overthinks or over-“feels” the ball on deep throws. It feels a little bit of both mechanics and mental. It’s gonna be a critical part of his development as he gets older.
I don’t know if it’s the same, but it reminds of playing baseball. If you start thinking about that infield throw to first you’re in trouble. [Reply]
