Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
We didn't really have Von Miller on the team last year. Chubb either. Both only played 7 games for us and we still had a top 5 scoring defense.
It's a big if, but if they stay healthy we'll be in much better shape with Gregory and Chubb in 2022 than we were with Von and Chubb in 2021.
He's just a guy, but he's not a liability. He was RT for Green Bay for a handful of years and Rodgers won back to back MVPs. If Billy Turner is the worst player on your OL, you're alright.
He's a big and tall athlete who runs a 4.4 at 250 pounds. I hope they overlook him. We're not going to be running our offense through him anyways. He should "get his" simply because teams are worried about everyone else. Albert O can thrive in that role.
Darby is a good #2. Other than Baltimore and Miami I don't think there is a better duo at CB in the league than PS2 and Darby. K'Waun Williams has been one of the better nicklebacks in the league for a few years now.
Fangio is a significant loss. He dealt with a ton of injuries on his defense the past few years and still managed to field good defenses. BUT Ejiro has been around Fangio in the past and that scheme has worked in other places without Fangio. Having a veteran coach like Dom Capers around should help him in his first year calling plays.
The only advantage KC had over Denver last year was their QB. We gave you guys fits with Teddy and Drew. What do you think is going to happen now that we have an actual "dude" at QB?
Denver is going to be nasty offensively. Nobody has four corners on their roster who can matchup with Jeudy, Sutton, Patrick and Hamler. We will have multiple matchups in our favor every single play, and if the passing game isn't working Denver can pummel you with Javonte Williams.
Nobody has 4 corners to match up with who?
Jeudy? (bust) Sutton? (JAG - one good year 3 years ago) Patrick? (JAG) and Hamler? (not even worth mentioning) :-):-):-):-)
And your pass rush relying on Chubb and Gregory to stay healthy and not miss games? What could possibly go wrong . . . . . . . [Reply]
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe:
We didn't really have Von Miller on the team last year. Chubb either. Both only played 7 games for us and we still had a top 5 scoring defense.
It's a big if, but if they stay healthy we'll be in much better shape with Gregory and Chubb in 2022 than we were with Von and Chubb in 2021.
He's just a guy, but he's not a liability. He was RT for Green Bay for a handful of years and Rodgers won back to back MVPs. If Billy Turner is the worst player on your OL, you're alright.
He's a big and tall athlete who runs a 4.4 at 250 pounds. I hope they overlook him. We're not going to be running our offense through him anyways. He should "get his" simply because teams are worried about everyone else. Albert O can thrive in that role.
Darby is a good #2. Other than Baltimore and Miami I don't think there is a better duo at CB in the league than PS2 and Darby. K'Waun Williams has been one of the better nicklebacks in the league for a few years now.
Fangio is a significant loss. He dealt with a ton of injuries on his defense the past few years and still managed to field good defenses. BUT Ejiro has been around Fangio in the past and that scheme has worked in other places without Fangio. Having a veteran coach like Dom Capers around should help him in his first year calling plays.
The only advantage KC had over Denver last year was their QB. We gave you guys fits with Teddy and Drew. What do you think is going to happen now that we have an actual "dude" at QB?
Denver is going to be nasty offensively. Nobody has four corners on their roster who can matchup with Jeudy, Sutton, Patrick and Hamler. We will have multiple matchups in our favor every single play, and if the passing game isn't working Denver can pummel you with Javonte Williams.
All you do is talk noise, then DISAPPEAR in October. Come back, make excuses, talk more noise, and DISAPPEAR in October. :-) [Reply]
Top 5 rosters in the league don’t go 7-10 with Teddy Bridgewater at QB (he’s not great, but adequate game manager).
Most head-scratching storyline of this offseason has been that Denver’s receiving weapons are DEFINITIVELY great without ever really showing any signs of being an above average group (Sutton has one year of pretty good production and JAG production otherwise; Patrick has had JAG production; Jeudy has less than JAG production; Hamler and Albert O are less than JAGs until proven otherwise). Wilson couldn’t elevate an offense with better receivers to anywhere near contention.
Originally Posted by austing24:
Top 5 rosters in the league don’t go 7-10 with Teddy Bridgewater at QB (he’s not great, but adequate game manager).
Most head-scratching storyline of this offseason has been that Denver’s receiving weapons are DEFINITIVELY great without ever really showing any signs of being an above average group (Sutton has one year of pretty good production and JAG production otherwise; Patrick has had JAG production; Jeudy has less than JAG production; Hamler and Albert O are less than JAGs until proven otherwise). Wilson couldn’t elevate an offense with better receivers to anywhere near contention.
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They're unproven for sure. Blame it on coaching, bad QBs... whatever you like. Injuries and inconsistency at OC with a DEF minded coach are a factor, hell many around here have trashed the coaching staff. Players just don't rise above bad QBs and poor coaching on their own.
Collectively, with the right QB and better coaching, they have big upside. Top 5 Roster... that's just QJ nonsense, I've never proclaimed it as so.
Williams at RB with their new offense should continue to improve and become the focal point of that offense.
Injuries, bad coaching ... yeah they're all a part of the game.
Denver is much better now than they were at the end of last season. So is the entire division, so they could still very well finish with a + .500 record and miss the playoffs and be 3rd in the division. It's how it rolls. [Reply]
Originally Posted by austing24:
Jeudy has less than JAG production
In 2020, Jeudy had a drop rate of 17.6% which was the highest percentage of any receiver with at least 100 targets...he has, statistically, the very worst hands in the NFL.
That and he produced 0 TDs last year....
Wonder what his trade value would be...two seasons removed from being the #1 WR taken. Is he even worth a low 2nd?
Originally Posted by TEX:
As usual you're looking at things wrong. Sure no one player can replace what Tyreek Hill did for the Chiefs. But consider the sum of all the pics. IF they hit on a couple of those, then you can get several really good players that can actually do more over the Long haul then one person, who is approaching 30. Get it?
Meanwhile, you guys traded a LOT for a short QB approaching his mid 30's whose skills look to be declining. No big deal, because if it doesn't work out you'll just bail in October as usual. :-)
If I was Veach I'd focus on building up that defense. Screw trying to force a pick at WR. Mahomes and Reid can make it work with less on offense. Load up on guys that can get Mahomes the ball back. Franchise QB's get you to the playoffs, the franchise QB with the best defense generally wins the trophy at the end. [Reply]
