Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Yeah, freaks from back then were probably on par with freaks from today. Issue is, the average athlete has gotten faaarrrr bigger, stronger and faster.
Wasn’t Refrigerator Perry considered massive? Google has him at 6’2” 335. That would be a relatively average guard these days.
The DTs that Jim Brown played against were 250 lbs.
Imagine if Derrick Henry was the same size as the defensive lineman trying to tackle him. Those poor DBs in the second level too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Yeah, freaks from back then were probably on par with freaks from today. Issue is, the average athlete has gotten faaarrrr bigger, stronger and faster.
Wasn’t Refrigerator Perry considered massive? Google has him at 6’2” 335. That would be a relatively average guard these days.
Jon Kolb was probably the best OT of the 70's Steelers dynasty...he was 6'-2" 260. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mescalito345:
Tom Brady is an all-time great, but he did not win seven Super Bowls. He did play on teams that won those Super Bowls.
That's any NFL player.
How have the Patriots done since Brady has left? Clearly he was a huge part of their success [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThrobProng:
I'm just saying, an argument can be made for Moss. Each of them had an insane 10-year stretch, one on a team full of HOFers pre-salary cap, and one catching passes from Daunte Culpepper.
One who played in an era when defenders could demolish you. [Reply]
Raw stats don't tell the story. The game has changed too much. That's why you younger guys that didn't watch, say, John Elway think he's overrated. The stats may say that, but you didn't get your heart ripped out over and over by that fuckin' guy.
No, he was special. I don't care what the stats say.
So all you can really argue is who was greatest in THEIR ERA, and YOUR era, as in what you witnessed. That's what makes it fun.
I started watching football at age 6; the first game I ever saw was the '78 Super Bowl. Bradshaw, Swann, Stallworth, and the Steel Curtain. Those Steeler teams were unbelievable.
But Brady was the best QB I'd ever seen, until Mahomes. He was inevitable. He would find a way, every damned time. Others were more gifted, but that didn't matter.
Mahomes has THAT, and nobody is more gifted. Best of all worlds.
What Jerry Rice did will never be matched. There's no argument that stands for anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. GOAT.
I obviously did not see Jim Brown, and he was definitely the most dominant player of his era. Different sport almost than the modern NFL. I'm not qualified to make an argument there.
I saw flashes in the pan, like Earl Campbell. I saw guys with highlight reels and gaudy stats like Barry Sanders that never won anything.
But in my lifetime, I'd take Walter Payton over any other RB1. A complete and unselfish player that was the best I personally ever saw. [Reply]
I think Mahomes’ legacy is being even further propped up when you’ve got seasons like this where the top 3 MVP candidates are QBs from the AFC conference.
What he is doing to negate the greatness of Allen, Lamar, Burrow, etc is just as impressive as the accolades he stacks himself.
Brady had Manning and some Roethlisberger, who never won MVP, but it wasn’t the overall QB gauntlet we see now in the AFC. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chris Meck:
Raw stats don't tell the story. The game has changed too much. That's why you younger guys that didn't watch, say, John Elway think he's overrated. The stats may say that, but you didn't get your heart ripped out over and over by that fuckin' guy.
No, he was special. I don't care what the stats say.
So all you can really argue is who was greatest in THEIR ERA, and YOUR era, as in what you witnessed. That's what makes it fun.
I started watching football at age 6; the first game I ever saw was the '78 Super Bowl. Bradshaw, Swann, Stallworth, and the Steel Curtain. Those Steeler teams were unbelievable.
But Brady was the best QB I'd ever seen, until Mahomes. He was inevitable. He would find a way, every damned time. Others were more gifted, but that didn't matter.
Mahomes has THAT, and nobody is more gifted. Best of all worlds.
What Jerry Rice did will never be matched. There's no argument that stands for anyone else, as far as I'm concerned. GOAT.
I obviously did not see Jim Brown, and he was definitely the most dominant player of his era. Different sport almost than the modern NFL. I'm not qualified to make an argument there.
I saw flashes in the pan, like Earl Campbell. I saw guys with highlight reels and gaudy stats like Barry Sanders that never won anything.
But in my lifetime, I'd take Walter Payton over any other RB1. A complete and unselfish player that was the best I personally ever saw.
Walter Payton has been my favorite player my whole life until Mahomes.. Now it’s Patrick 1A and Walter 1B… [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I think Mahomes’ legacy is being even further propped up when you’ve got seasons like this where the top 3 MVP candidates are QBs from the AFC conference.
What he is doing to negate the greatness of Allen, Lamar, Burrow, etc is just as impressive as the accolades he stacks himself.
Brady had Manning and some Roethlisberger, who never won MVP, but it wasn’t the overall QB gauntlet we see now in the AFC.
I often wonder when someone is going to force their way over to the NFC.
Maybe someone like Herbert if he gets frustrated with not winning shit. [Reply]
