I just feel like everyone is going to spend all week talking about Mahomes' ankle or Burrow being a Demigod or Chase against this young secondary or Lou Anarumo being a psychopath...and then in the end it's just going to Samaje Perine bludgeoning Bolton and Gay to death.
Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
....and there's no fucking way "jump ball Joe" is the most accurate by ANY measure. The bullshit completions his cyborg WRs came down with against us alone should dock him 50 points
Originally Posted by Chargem:
Per PFR, 192 of those 360 yards were after the catch, the average air yards per completion was only 4.3, and he had a fumble.
Why would this matter at all? Is it better to try and throw hero balls into coverage, or spot receivers who will have room to run after the catch and hit them in stride?
At some point the raw offensive numbers just are what they are, and you don't need a lot of nuance and play-by-play breakdowns to acknowledge it was an outstanding day for Mahomes. Especially when you consider that there is a ton of guesswork for PFF as to what players are supposed to be doing each play.
I'm not a PFF hater. I do place some value in their metrics, particularly around o-linemen and defensive players. Their metrics can be good for trying to provide some objective measurement for areas that otherwise can't be measured. Don't need to do that as much with the QB position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
Why would this matter at all? Is it better to try and throw hero balls into coverage, or spot receivers who will have room to run after the catch and hit them in stride?
At some point the raw offensive numbers just are what they are, and you don't need a lot of nuance and play-by-play breakdowns to acknowledge it was an outstanding day for Mahomes. Especially when you consider that there is a ton of guesswork for PFF as to what players are supposed to be doing each play.
I'm not a PFF hater. I do place some value in their metrics, particularly around o-linemen and defensive players. Their metrics can be good for trying to provide some objective measurement for areas that otherwise can't be measured. Don't need to do that as much with the QB position.
I can't believe you don't get this. PFF is just trying to separate out Mahomes impact on a play vs the Olines impact, the receivers impact, the coaches impact.
If Mahomes throws a screen pass to a running back, and then that running back takes the ball 50 yards down the field because of excellent blocking and the RB breaking tackles, was this a good play by Mahomes? Is it a play that any other of 50 QBs in the league could not make? Would it have been a worse play by Mahomes if the OL missed a block after 10 yards and it was only a 10 yard gain?
When Andy draws up a great pop pass play design, Mahomes pitches a ball 1 yard forward and Tyreek takes the ball 74 more yards for a touchdown, would you grade Mahomes the same for that as if he threw the ball 50 yards in the air, hitting Tyreek perfectly in stride for a 75 yard touchdown? The box score says these are the same.
I am sure PFF will try to give credit for a throw being placed in the right position for a receiver to get YAC, rather than a throw which is not placed accurately enough for the receiver to get YAC, but the majority of YAC will be down to the receiver who has the ball in their hands. It's almost like you have to watch the plays to decide if Mahomes played well, rather than just look at the end stats.
We both agree there is a ton guesswork by PFF, that is why I don't think its particularly good.
The idea that PFF should agree with the box score is inherently bizarre.. why would they exist as a business if you could tell all you need to by looking at a stat line? Why would any team bother with any analytics or grading, if the box score is so great? [Reply]
