Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
This is a hard concept to put into words, but Patrick Mahomes has produced a higher rate of clutch PO wins/moments relative to the rest of the league than anyone in history.
Like it's not even close.
For example, 50% of the 4Q comeback wins in the NFL playoffs since Super Bowl 54 have been engineered by one QB.
If you were keeping track of all 4QC wins in the NFL playoffs, Mahomes has:
3 of the last 4 (75%)
4 of the last 8 (50%)
5 of the last 10 (50%)
No one has ever stood out like this.
Hell, only 11 QBs even have 3 4QC wins in the playoffs. Only 7 have at least 4, and only Brady (9), Montana (5), and Mahomes (5) have 5.
The Packers being bad on special teams (2021 SF, 2023 SF) might also be the only reason it's not 5 of the last 8 for Mahomes.
Either he's going to run this up to obscene proportions, the Chiefs are going to start blowing out more teams in the playoffs, or they're going to hit a wall in close playoff games.
Was very close to pulling it off against the Patriots in the January 2019 conference title game. If we had the current overtime rules, who knows how that turns out. Or if Dee Ford doesn't go offsides. Damn... [Reply]
Either he's going to run this up to obscene proportions, the Chiefs are going to start blowing out more teams in the playoffs, or they're going to hit a wall in close playoff games.
This is the thing for me - Mahomes, for as great as he has been, hasn't engineered many truly dominant 4 quarter playoff performances.
And I absolutely believe those will come. I mean by any mortal metric, he's just entering his prime years. He probably has another couple of seasons of improvement before he plateaus at that level for probably another 6-8 years.
This isn't the best version of him. And that version can/will absolutely massacre quality teams.
I do think sometime in the next few years he'll have a playoff run that borders on mythic where he just sets creation on fire. And eventually he'll have one of those Super Bowls where he wins by 20+ points.
That's the strangest thing about his 'clutch' gene to me - how often he's needed it. Because I would really expect him to have run away with some of these ballgames.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
This is the thing for me - Mahomes, for as great as he has been, hasn't engineered many truly dominant 4 quarter playoff performances.
And I absolutely believe those will come. I mean by any mortal metric, he's just entering his prime years. He probably has another couple of seasons of improvement before he plateaus at that level for probably another 6-8 years.
This isn't the best version of him. And that version can/will absolutely massacre quality teams.
I do think sometime in the next few years he'll have a playoff run that borders on mythic where he just sets creation on fire. And eventually he'll have one of those Super Bowls where he wins by 20+ points.
That's the strangest thing about his 'clutch' gene to me - how often he's needed it. Because I would really expect him to have run away with some of these ballgames.
Soon...
He had 2.5 games of it in 2021. If he hadn't gotten conked on the noggin in that Bengals game...what might have been.
While it sucks that we came up short that year, I still maintain these many glorious years later that the experiences of that postseason yielded fruit down the road. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Yes, at a FINE level. That gets him to the 4th best player in the NFL.
Do you guys really think he played at the same level last season as in 2022? And the only difference was the WRs? I don’t. And it’s not a huge knock on him.
I chalk it up to the regular season being a grind. After the Christmas debacle, Mahomes and the rest of the team, went back into playoff mode. This year, I think they will be at their best and focused as they try for NFL immortality with a 3 peat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TwistedChief:
Yes, at a FINE level. That gets him to the 4th best player in the NFL.
Do you guys really think he played at the same level last season as in 2022? And the only difference was the WRs? I don’t. And it’s not a huge knock on him.
I said it for most of the year - he wasn't at his best last regular season. He was holding balls he shouldn't and throwing balls he should hold. He was just a little out of sorts for fairly significant chunks of the year.
Which should've still gotten him the 1 spot because there's just no question who the best player in the sport is.
As I said in-season, even the greatest to ever do it don't have their best year every year. Sometimes they have seasons that are 80% of their peak capacity and those seasons are still stellar. But they're STILL the greatest to to do it.
I can understand not giving him the MVP in any given year over the next 5. But I cannot for the life of me understand not putting him at 1 on this list every year. Because even if he doesn't play at the level of the best player in the game that single season, he's still the guy in the sport that literally every single GM in football would take at 1.1 in a re-draft.
"The last time Patrick Mahomes was truly doubted was after the 2021 season. He responded with single best season of his career. I know it bothers him, and I think it helps the Chiefs."
