Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Well cause he didn't have Bill Walsh and the league had caught up to the system by then, half the fucking league ran it at 1 point.
You cannot be fucking serious. The 49er system only improved after Walsh left due to Mike Shanahan's input.
Six fucking touchdowns in the SB. But muh league caught up!
Sure, idiot. That's why the 49ers got their ass kicked in the mid 80s by the Giants. Because the league had not caught up yet.
Mahomes doesn't take sacks.
Brady doesn't take many sacks.
Peyton didn't take sacks.
Montana didn't take sacks.
Many super athletic QBs take sacks. I believe it just has to do with reading defenses combined with pocket presence. No matter how bad our line is Mahomes just doesn't take sacks.
Burrow takes sacks. Maybe that is why he won't ever be great. Josh Allen is mediocre at it. Russell Wilsom takes a TONNN of sacks. Stroud was actually not great last year in taking sacks so he may actually be due a regression. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
These are not opinions. These are FACTS.
Matt Ryan has better career stats than Joe Montana. Doesn't mean shit.
If Matt Ryan had played in the 80s he would have been a second-rate fucking dork.
Steve Young was a choker.
You bringing up Matt Ryan is a bit amusing...
Young was a 2 time MVP and honestly he was the best QB if the 90s if you go compare him to everyone else, his rating is 10+ points higher than everyone else. His advanced stats take him even further out away from them...
Led the league in rating 6 times, which is a record
Complete pecentage 5 times
YPA 5 times
He was also a better athlete and more durable, so to be like oh this dude was a choker is a bit much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Montana also played in a revolutionary system that defenses were not ready for at the time.
In a lot of ways Montana was the epitome of the ultimate system QB. Not to take anything away from Montana as he was a high end player but the success of the 49ers speaks more to the brilliance of Bill Walsh than anything.
Eh - Montana's processing was otherworldly.
That guy knew where everyone was at all times. And has fantastic downfield accuracy even if he didn't have the most zip (remember though, young Montana didn't have a popgun by any means).
I don't disagree with the idea that he was a system QB - he was very similar to Brees in that regard. He wouldn't have been as successful in every system as he was in Walsh's system. By the same token, nobody else would've had the success Montana had in that system.
He was a maestro in that offense and his grasp of it, along with his precision, should not be understated. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Shaid:
I didn't put Brady above Montana until he got to 6. Montana was better, Brady got him on longevity.
And if Brady took the kind of punishment that Montana took, he wouldn't have played that long.
Some of the hits Montana took are truly remarkable (and BTW - Walsh's system exposed him to some of those, before we suck off Walsh too terribly much).
The Walsh system wasn't an unknown. Teams had tried similar concepts. I mean look at the Air Coryell system of the late 70s and early 80s. Another passing based system but designed to stretch teams vertically rather than horizontally. Teams weren't running it because it was getting guys crushed (and few QBs could run it). Same with Walsh and the WCO - it wasn't as though teams didn't recognize the value of spacing and the forward pass. They just didn't want to get their guys murdered out there.
Walsh was a little more morally casual in that regard. And it shows even today in Montana's gait and posture. Walsh got Montana destroyed on many occasions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
You bringing up Matt Ryan is a bit amusing...
Young was a 2 time MVP and honestly he was the best QB if the 90s if you go compare him to everyone else, his rating is 10+ points higher than everyone else. His advanced stats take him even further out away from them...
Led the league in rating 6 times, which is a record
Complete pecentage 5 times
YPA 5 times
He was also a better athlete and more durable, so to be like oh this dude was a choker is a bit much.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Eh - Montana's processing was otherworldly.
That guy knew where everyone was at all times. And has fantastic downfield accuracy even if he didn't have the most zip (remember though, young Montana didn't have a popgun by any means).
I don't disagree with the idea that he was a system QB - he was very similar to Brees in that regard. He wouldn't have been as successful in every system as he was in Walsh's system. By the same token, nobody else would've had the success Montana had in that system.
He was a maestro in that offense and his grasp of it, along with his precision, should not be understated.
Brees and Montana is a solid comparison for what they were in their systems. [Reply]
