Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Yeah there's not really a great option unfortunately and a big IF he stays healthy well then you might actually have a pretty decent LT. I dont mind Robinson but as you said for the price not sure it's worth it. Plus is Veach going to be willing to commit to more than 2 years to Robinson? Traditionally that hasn't been the case with him and LTs that's why I could see a twam getting him over us by offering more years.
The more I think about it Humphries with Kingsley backing him up and hoping he develops might be the best out of alot of bad options.
If there is another OBJ type move on the market to be made, this is probably a great time to make it.
Give up our 1st to get a little something back and a younger veteran LT who's proven himself capable? Done. Only this time I get the new contract signed ASAP.
I just have no earthly idea who that might actually be.
The kind of OTs likely to be moved this year are guys like Neal and Penning who are all pedigree, no performance.
Or maybe Terron Armstead? Not young at all, but could be available and might only cost a 3rd rounder. He has 2 years at really reasonable figures left on his deal. He's awfully steady as a pass protector and at 33 isn't old for an OT.
Armstead might be my preferrred target at this point. Would buy us a couple of seasons to really attack that OT position with a long-term plan/goal in mind. I wouldn't be super eager to give up my 2nd for him, but we might have to. If I could give up a 2 and get a 3rd day pick back, I think we'd have to seriously consider it given that we have that extra Titans pick. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Oh. That's the disconnect. You see Morris as viable still. To me it looks like they've written him off completely. Guess we'll see how it goes in camp.
I'm not sure if I do or not.
I've said before, I don't love him at LT. Heavy feet -- plays more like an OG.
I badly wanted to see Kingsley pass him on the depth chart. But in the end, for 6-8 weeks, Morris did an adequate job at the position and he started to falter right around the time he got that knee injury.
I think his ceiling is average, but we have to have SOMETHING at the position.
So again, whats your answer?
I think I've directly posed the question to you in this very thread 3-4 times now. You have to have someone you WANT at the position rather than just talking about all the things you don't. So go on record. If it's a trade up, how far are you willing to go, at what cost and for who?
You continue to shit on people with ideas while offering none of your own. It's tiresome. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Okay...ONE person loves the option...
Sorry, Easy -- I won't put 'ideal' anywhere near what we're looking at for the LT position next season.
But it's probably the least risk (given his probable contract demands) with a surprisingly high amount of upside.
Ultimately I think the major mistake was how ambivalent we seemed to be towards upgrading the position at the trade deadline. Just seems like that was the time to have been more aggressive than we were.
Its ideal because they're already here on cheap contracts, and they've both been in the system for a season, or in Humphries case half a season
People can all say what they want, the hot takes are flying fast and furious today... and this one is my contribution
To hell with overpaying for mediocre outsiders, lets believe in and coach up the people we bring in, instead of chasing the next overpaid quick fix [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I'm not sure if I do or not.
I've said before, I don't love him at LT. Heavy feet -- plays more like an OG.
I badly wanted to see Kingsley pass him on the depth chart. But in the end, for 6-8 weeks, Morris did an adequate job at the position and he started to falter right around the time he got that knee injury.
I think his ceiling is average, but we have to have SOMETHING at the position.
So again, whats your answer?
I think I've directly posed the question to you in this very thread 3-4 times now. You have to have someone you WANT at the position rather than just talking about all the things you don't. So go on record. If it's a trade up, how far are you willing to go, at what cost and for who?
You continue to shit on people with ideas while offering none of your own. It's tiresome.
If I had my way we'd try to switch Taylor over and the conversation would be about finding a RT instead, which is relatively easier especially since I think Morris actually looks decently competent there instead. But they've obviously scrapped that idea a long time ago so gun to my head they'll either sign Cam Robinson to a deal we'll all be sour about to varying degrees or trade up for Simmons if he slides far enough. Maybe even both. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If there is another OBJ type move on the market to be made, this is probably a great time to make it.
Give up our 1st to get a little something back and a younger veteran LT who's proven himself capable? Done. Only this time I get the new contract signed ASAP.
I just have no earthly idea who that might actually be.
The kind of OTs likely to be moved this year are guys like Neal and Penning who are all pedigree, no performance.
Or maybe Terron Armstead? Not young at all, but could be available and might only cost a 3rd rounder. He has 2 years at really reasonable figures left on his deal. He's awfully steady as a pass protector and at 33 isn't old for an OT.
Armstead might be my preferrred target at this point. Would buy us a couple of seasons to really attack that OT position with a long-term plan/goal in mind. I wouldn't be super eager to give up my 2nd for him, but we might have to. If I could give up a 2 and get a 3rd day pick back, I think we'd have to seriously consider it given that we have that extra Titans pick.
Funny I was looking at this earlier. Penning great athlete but not a good football player. Neal is meh to me. I would love Armstead wonder what the chances are Miami would be interested in trading him? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Funny I was looking at this earlier. Penning great athlete but not a good football player. Neal is meh to me. I would love Armstead wonder what the chances are Miami would be interested in trading him?
I think Armstead for our 2 is the direction I'm leaning. Obviously less if we can manage it.
But I think that's an okay balance of immediate contribution and long term capital surrendered along with a fairly high floor and ceiling. [Reply]
22 pressures surrendered all season. If the Rams let him test the open market you absolutely have to sign him. A 26 year old LT that's had year to year improvement would be an absolute coup and opens the draft for BPA everywhere. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
22 pressures surrendered all season. If the Rams let him test the open market you absolutely have to sign him. A 26 year old LT that's had year to year improvement would be an absolute coup and opens the draft for BPA everywhere.
Seems insane that they haven’t already resigned him. That gives me hope they may not value him as much as the rest of the league would. Take a look at the Rams o-line, I haven’t heard of any of them, which means they are very good at drafting and developing these guys.
Also, they had Noteboom originally penned to take over at LT, Jackson only got a shot due to injury. So, if they are looking to save money they might pivot back to him instead.
Probably wishful thinking, but if this dude does hit free agency Clark better offer him the key to one of his damn mansions to come here. [Reply]
It'd be malfeasance not to. That's one of the very few circumstances where I'd hope Veach reverts back to his early days to hit the bid button until he wins. It would solve so many issues. [Reply]