Originally Posted by SHOWTIME:
In hindsight, Donovan Smith was probably the better option...he had experience in this offense and was relatively healthy. Why Veach went after Humphries if he was just going to waste a roster spot is beyond me.
Maybe he has a plan for Humphries after this season? :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by TEX:
Maybe he has a plan for Humphries after this season? :-)
Let’s hope? If not, what a complete waste of Clark’s money. There was no reason to even sign the guy if you had no faith in him being ready to play. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I still wonder what happens if we let Kingsley take his lumps. He was solid week 1 against pretty decent rushers from Baltimore. Probably should have let him simmer a little longer.
The bigger earlier mistake was not having him play in pre-season. [Reply]
I still think it's entirely possible hes the LT next year. He was coming off that knee injury and not even at his playong weight. A whole off season of S&C should get him there. Move Thuney back to LG and if he's even serviceable like that your left side of the line is fixed [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
I still think it's entirely possible hes the LT next year. He was coming off that knee injury and not even at his playong weight. A whole off season of S&C should get him there. Move Thuney back to LG and if he's even serviceable like that your left side of the line is fixed
Yeah - nobody's gonna like that answer.
But he's almost certain to be better than a rookie LT, no matter how high we take the LT in question (especially in a class that's pretty weak at OT).
And if we were to sign Robinson, he'd cost a lot more than folks will be happy with and not be anywhere near what people are going to expect from him for the kind of money he'll command.
It's awfully hard to trust his health, though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah - nobody's gonna like that answer.
But he's almost certain to be better than a rookie LT, no matter how high we take the LT in question (especially in a class that's pretty weak at OT).
And if we were to sign Robinson, he'd cost a lot more than folks will be happy with and not be anywhere near what people are going to expect from him for the kind of money he'll command.
It's awfully hard to trust his health, though.
Telling you man, Humphries is our best bet at the moment... things could easily change, but RIGHT NOW he's our best shot at a quick fix IMO
Rest him up, give him a full camp and preseason then ride with him at LT for two years while Suamataia refines his game... thats honestly the ideal scenario in my book [Reply]
Again, why? Please someone explain this to me. He can't stay healthy. At all. Why would you sign someone that injury prone as a bridge and risk putting yourself in the exact same position. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Again, why? Please someone explain this to me. He can't stay healthy. At all. Why would you sign someone that injury prone as a bridge and risk putting yourself in the exact same position.
Because every time you get an answer to this, you blow it off and don't have an alternative to offer.
I'm guessing you're in the 'trade whatever it takes for a top 10 LT' camp, but those guys bust more than half the time in their own right. And even the ones that don't are rarely any good in their rookie year.
Moreover, this just isn't a good class for OT. Yeah, Alts happen, but there ain't an Alt in this class.
Nobody loves the option, but we just don't have a shitload of 'em out there. Maybe it's Idaho's guy Noteboom -- okay, wouldn't hate that either. But he's not an obviously better option than Humphries is; you're trading ceiling for floor there. Which everyone is going to happy to do right this very minute, but they'll be all sorts of pissed off about it come October when Noteboom proves to be as 'meh' as his entire career says he is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
Telling you man, Humphries is our best bet at the moment... things could easily change, but RIGHT NOW he's our best shot at a quick fix IMO
Rest him up, give him a full camp and preseason then ride with him at LT for two years while Suamataia refines his game... thats honestly the ideal scenario in my book
Okay...ONE person loves the option...
Sorry, Easy -- I won't put 'ideal' anywhere near what we're looking at for the LT position next season.
But it's probably the least risk (given his probable contract demands) with a surprisingly high amount of upside.
Ultimately I think the major mistake was how ambivalent we seemed to be towards upgrading the position at the trade deadline. Just seems like that was the time to have been more aggressive than we were. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Again, why? Please someone explain this to me. He can't stay healthy. At all. Why would you sign someone that injury prone as a bridge and risk putting yourself in the exact same position.
His latest injury was caused by us rushing him straight into late season game action from the trainers table... he literally got off the couch after medically clearing a serious injury and was immediately forced to play
WTF was everyone expecting after a desperation move like that?
Barring a miracle its basically between him and Suamataia, unless you intend to wildly overpay for mediocrity or wanna burn a first on a lottery ticket Hail Mary rookie
Dude is worth another look with a full offseason in the program, I'm dying on this hill if need be [Reply]
I mean I think it's gotta be Morris with Kingsley having a chance to break into the mix.
So if you're willing to trade the floor of someone like Noteboom for the ceiling of Humphries - are you willing to go into the post-season with Morris at LT?
Because I think that's the question you have to answer before you sign off on Humphries. I say he's low risk because I don't think he'll be terribly expensive, but IF you sign him, you have to do so with an understanding that he hasn't shown a great deal in awhile now and OL age pretty quickly.
If you're not comfortable with Morris at LT (because I don't think you can count on Kingsley at this point) then I don't think you can sign Humphries to be your starter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Yeah - nobody's gonna like that answer.
But he's almost certain to be better than a rookie LT, no matter how high we take the LT in question (especially in a class that's pretty weak at OT).
And if we were to sign Robinson, he'd cost a lot more than folks will be happy with and not be anywhere near what people are going to expect from him for the kind of money he'll command.
It's awfully hard to trust his health, though.
Yeah there's not really a great option unfortunately and a big IF he stays healthy well then you might actually have a pretty decent LT. I dont mind Robinson but as you said for the price not sure it's worth it. Plus is Veach going to be willing to commit to more than 2 years to Robinson? Traditionally that hasn't been the case with him and LTs that's why I could see a twam getting him over us by offering more years.
The more I think about it Humphries with Kingsley backing him up and hoping he develops might be the best out of alot of bad options. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
His latest injury was caused by us rushing him straight into late season game action from the trainers table... he literally got off the couch after medically clearing a serious injury and was immediately forced to play
WTF was everyone expecting after a desperation move like that?
Barring a miracle its basically between him and Suamataia, unless you intend to wildly overpay for mediocrity or wanna burn a first on a lottery ticket Hail Mary rookie
Dude is worth another look with a full offseason in the program, I'm dying on this hill if need be
6 out of 9 seasons he's missed games due to injury. That's who he is and bringing him in as anything other than vet min camp fodder should be a complete non starter. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
What's your backup if he's just not sound, Easy?
I mean I think it's gotta be Morris with Kingsley having a chance to break into the mix.
So if you're willing to trade the floor of someone like Noteboom for the ceiling of Humphries - are you willing to go into the post-season with Morris at LT?
Because I think that's the question you have to answer before you sign off on Humphries. I say he's low risk because I don't think he'll be terribly expensive, but IF you sign him, you have to do so with an understanding that he hasn't shown a great deal in awhile now and OL age pretty quickly.
If you're not comfortable with Morris at LT (because I don't think you can count on Kingsley at this point) then I don't think you can sign Humphries to be your starter.
Oh. That's the disconnect. You see Morris as viable still. To me it looks like they've written him off completely. Guess we'll see how it goes in camp. [Reply]
The only guy you can honestly call 'above average' that will be available in free agency (MAYBE) is Ronnie Stanley. More than likely, he'll stay in Baltimore, where he's been his whole career, with a contender and a team that fits his skillset perfectly.
You'd have to WOW him with an offer.
There's literally not a single plus player LT anywhere else that's worth the money.
Those of you in the 'trade whatever you have to to draft a sure thing' camp-there's no such thing ever really, and especially not in THIS draft. So, you're trading multiple ones plus more early picks on a CHANCE that a guy works out EVENTUALLY. And they'll probably get beat like a drum in year one.
You really want to give up two #1's and the high #3 we got for Sneed for a one in four chance a guy ends up being a meh LT? Because that's the reality. [Reply]
