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Nzoner's Game Room>The Bills take the AFC this seasom
JustDíqLix 05:53 PM 08-21-2023
Are you ready for some football!?

I know I am!

With that, I am here to make a proclamation!

The mighty Bills from Buffalo will take the AFC this year.

For two decades I watched people say the Patriots window was closed, that their time was dwindling, that it was all over… seemingly every time those predictions happened, the Patriots went and won another Super Bowl.

A lot of doom talk simply because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. Let us not forget that the Bills watched their brother DIE on the field just a few weeks prior. Their heart was simply not in it. If it had been, the Bills would have captured the AFC last year.

The Bills have won 2 of their last 3 in Arrowhead and they’re ready to make it 3 of the last 4.

Let’s go mighty Buffalo Bills! 🦬 🦬 🦬
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O.city 12:18 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Offensively? Sure. Having a defensive minded HC alone is definitely a problem.

But McDermott gets the most out of that defense, and that absolutely helps.
They've feasted on shit teams in the regular season, but his defenses always seem to come up short in the playoffs.
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staylor26 12:21 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
They've feasted on shit teams in the regular season, but his defenses always seem to come up short in the playoffs.
I think that's because they've been getting by with scheme as opposed to talent the last few years, which is a testament to McDermott's ability to coach defense and scheme around weaknesses.

I'm glad he's their HC, because I think he's really just a great DC, but he certainly has helped a ton on that side of the ball as their HC.
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O.city 12:22 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I think that's because they've been getting by with scheme as opposed to talent the last few years, which is a testament to McDermott's ability to coach defense and scheme around weaknesses.

I'm glad he's their HC, because I think he's really just a great DC, but he certainly has helped a ton on that side of the ball as their HC.
I kinda think it's the other way. They've had pretty good talent, outside of last year when it fell apart, but can't really adapt.

He seems like the Alex Smith of coaching. Solid, wins regular season games and is consistently good. Just not much more than that.
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RunKC 12:25 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Offensively? Sure. Having a defensive minded HC alone is definitely a problem.

But McDermott gets the most out of that defense, and that absolutely helps.
Not in the playoffs. They’ve been terrible every year.
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Sassy Squatch 12:26 PM 07-18-2024
Eh, It's not like Allen is constantly being let down by the defense.

10, 19, 24, 24, and 36 are the points the Bills offense has scored in those losses. 2 middling games, 2 mediocre games, and one game they probably should've won.

All of those games except the 36 points game the offense performed below their average for the year
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staylor26 12:27 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by O.city:
I kinda think it's the other way. They've had pretty good talent, outside of last year when it fell apart, but can't really adapt.

He seems like the Alex Smith of coaching. Solid, wins regular season games and is consistently good. Just not much more than that.
The lost all kind of guys last year between free agency and injuries, and everybody expected their defense to be dpgshit when the injuries piled up. They still finished top 5,.
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staylor26 12:27 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Not in the playoffs. They’ve been terrible every year.
Yes, because scheme isn't going to get it done when you're going up against the best of the best. That's my point.
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Rainbarrel 12:36 PM 07-18-2024
Considering the history of QBs with Allen's seasons in the league. The history of the team he plays for. Getting any confirmation either way of his effectiveness. Is like deciding if that cloud in the sky looks more like a nursing home or Alliance Stadium
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ThaVirus 01:11 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
"Allen knows when to dial that shit back, just like Mahomes."

Laughs in watching Allen yeet the ball two times into the end zone on 2nd and 3rd down when a 1st down is far more beneficial to the team before watching Bass shank a kick wide right to lose the game.
It’s hilarious that you mention this series because Allen actually would have thrown a TD on 2nd down with one of those ill-advised throws you’re referring to.

Thankfully Chris Jones was able to walk the LT back into Allen’s lap, clipped his leg and prevented an accurate throw to a wide open WR.

1st down on that last series was a Cook run for 1 yard and 3rd down was a throwaway, but it was 3rd and long in the 4th quarter. That’s 100% the exact sort of thing Mahomes would do to try to WIN the game, not just tie it. They were already at the 26 yard line. You should be able to trust your kicker to nail that from that distance.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch:
Allen was incredible in the 13 second postseason. 9 throwing TDs in 2 games, I believe the tally was. Unfortunately that would put his cumulative tally for the other 8 games at a 12:4 TD to INT ratio. That's, uh, not very good for how supposedly elite he is.
If you take out his best two postseason performances, he’s still only pretty good.

Can we be fair and throw out his two worst playoff performances while we’re doing that? In that case he’s averaging 2 passing TDs per game to .8 INTs. He also adds another 4 rushing TDs in those six games.

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni:
Turnover differential has proven to be the biggest decider if games for decades...PERIOD
OK, Alex lol
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ThaVirus 01:22 PM 07-18-2024
Turnovers can suck a dick. They’re important, but at some point, everyone knows you’ve gotta let your nuts hang. Fuck all that, Alex Smith “win the turnover battle, win the game” or Aaron Rodgers protecting his TD:INT ratio by refusing to throw into tight windows and eating sacks when it counts bullshit.

A TD is guaranteed to give you 6 points. On average it’s going to give you like 6.7ish points if I had to guess. What’s a turnover result in? It varies. Could be no points. Might be 3.
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ThaVirus 01:24 PM 07-18-2024
It’s honestly weird to see Chiefs fans of all people riding Josh Allen. Every year, without fail, his best receiver in Diggs no shows. And every year, he’s the only QB a who consistently dogs us. 3 TDs against us last postseason, 4 TDs in the 13 seconds game.

Hell, last year he would have thrown the go ahead TD with about 2 minutes left if not for a superhuman effort from Chris Jones. And wasn’t last year the game he threw that bomb that Diggs dropped? Would have been like an 80 yard TD and buddy dropped it.

I said Allen knows how to dial his shit back and the numbers prove that. His career INT % in the regular season is 2.5% vs 1.1% in the playoffs. That’s a significant difference.
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RealSNR 01:24 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
It’s hilarious that you mention this series because Allen actually would have thrown a TD on 2nd down with one of those ill-advised throws you’re referring to.

Thankfully Chris Jones was able to walk the LT back into Allen’s lap, clipped his leg and prevented an accurate throw to a wide open WR.

1st down on that last series was a Cook run for 1 yard and 3rd down was a throwaway, but it was 3rd and long in the 4th quarter. That’s 100% the exact sort of thing Mahomes would do to try to WIN the game, not just tie it. They were already at the 26 yard line. You should be able to trust your kicker to nail that from that distance.
If Mahomes were in that position and had the first down play available? He's going to take the first down and leave nothing on the clock for Allen, even if he gets stopped short of the end zone and has to rely on his kicker for a shorter tying field goal.
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Sassy Squatch 01:31 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
It’s honestly weird to see Chiefs fans of all people riding Josh Allen. Every year, without fail, his best receiver in Diggs no shows. And every year, he’s the only QB a who consistently dogs us. 3 TDs against us last postseason, 4 TDs in the 13 seconds game.

Hell, last year he would have thrown the go ahead TD with about 2 minutes left if not for a superhuman effort from Chris Jones. And wasn’t last year the game he threw that bomb that Diggs dropped? Would have been like an 80 yard TD and buddy dropped it.

I said Allen knows how to dial his shit back and the numbers prove that. His career INT % in the regular season is 2.5% vs 1.1% in the playoffs. That’s a significant difference.
Who's said that Allen is trash? I don't think that's been said at all. Personally think he's a top 5 QB at any given time and has games where he's the best QB in the league that week. What gets Allen the pushback from Chiefs fans in particular is this sentiment that he should be treated as an equal to Mahomes. We have over half a decades worth of games now to determine that's just not the case.
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mr. tegu 01:32 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
It’s honestly weird to see Chiefs fans of all people riding Josh Allen. Every year, without fail, his best receiver in Diggs no shows. And every year, he’s the only QB a who consistently dogs us. 3 TDs against us last postseason, 4 TDs in the 13 seconds game.

Hell, last year he would have thrown the go ahead TD with about 2 minutes left if not for a superhuman effort from Chris Jones. And wasn’t last year the game he threw that bomb that Diggs dropped? Would have been like an 80 yard TD and buddy dropped it.

I said Allen knows how to dial his shit back and the numbers prove that. His career INT % in the regular season is 2.5% vs 1.1% in the playoffs. That’s a significant difference.

The whole narrative around the second down throw with Jones is hilarious to me. All he has to do is slightly move one direction and the throw isn’t impacted at all.

But regarding dialing it back, earlier in that possession he made three consecutive terrible plays with forcing the ball or doing too much, with two of those of would have likely or come close to ending the game but he got bailed out.

On first down he threw a hospital ball to Diggs who was fortunate to not catch it. On second down he threw a perfect pick 6 to Sneed but McDuffie had a “great” pass break up on that one. Then on third down he ran it immediately after dropping back to pass and fumbled the ball which at minimum should have been a Chiefs recovery and was close to a fumble return for a TD.

Also there is ZERO chance Mahomes tries the throw Allen did when Jones slightly nudged him. We know this because in the final OT drive Mahomes really wanted to go to the play they drew up for Kelce 15 yards downfield, where he even pumped it and changed his mind to not risk it unnecessarily, only to come back to the wide open check down to Pacheco. He took the easy open play even though it isn’t what he wanted. He kept his mental composure in a high pressure situation, which to this point is one of Allen’s biggest weaknesses.
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ThaVirus 01:32 PM 07-18-2024
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
If Mahomes were in that position and had the first down play available? He's going to take the first down and leave nothing on the clock for Allen, even if he gets stopped short of the end zone and has to rely on his kicker for a shorter tying field goal.
If the 1st down was there? Sure, but I don’t think the 1st down was there.



If it doesn’t auto-play, go to 26:51. There’s no one open there, certainly not for a 1st down.
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