All this talk about who they should play. Why don't they just play both? Assweiler can't get it in the end zone, so just play Manning when they are inside the 20.
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Who knows how it plays out, but if he's moving around like that and Brock struggles on Sunday, I wouldn't be shocked to see Manning take over in that game. Anything is possible.
After the KC game, my hope was for them to rest Manning for at least 4 games... having no idea how they would fare in that stretch. So, at this point, I'm still cheering for the jersey and don't care who they put out there - as long as he's healthy.
Let's see...Brock Mallett or Mr.0.00? :-)
They both blow KnowMo. Good luck with that... [Reply]
Ah, remember the days when Brock Osweiler rode the Broncos running game and defense to a victory over the Patriots and en route towards a Sports Illustrated cover and the adulation of every media talking head from J.A Adande to Jimmy Zzyzzx?
Originally Posted by KCtotheSB:
Ah, remember the days when Brock Osweiler rode the Broncos running game and defense to a victory over the Patriots and en route towards a Sports Illustrated cover and the adulation of every media talking head from J.A Adande to Jimmy Zzyzzx?
Originally Posted by New World Order:
All this talk about who they should play. Why don't they just play both? Assweiler can't get it in the end zone, so just play Manning when they are inside the 20.
Problem solved.
Anyone remember 1992 - Elway was injured, and Dan Reeves actually switched QBs every other drive for a 4 game stretch. Tommy Maddox and Shawn Moore... they lost all 4 games surprisingly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Anyone remember 1992 - Elway was injured, and Dan Reeves actually switched QBs every other drive for a 4 game stretch. Tommy Maddox and Shawn Moore... they lost all 4 games surprisingly.
I remember. It was a stupid strategy. Reeves was full of them. Sounds exactly like something KnowMo would think would work. :-) [Reply]
Yeah, I couldn't believe that crap went on for a month... coming off the heels of drafting Maddox when they did, Reeves was just asking for the boot. And, he got it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Yeah, I couldn't believe that crap went on for a month... coming off the heels of drafting Maddox when they did, Reeves was just asking for the boot. And, he got it.
They drafted Maddox where they did, in part, to keep KC from getting him. Marty, and especially King Carl, really liked him. THAT should have said it all. :-) [Reply]
Football Outsiders: Brock is the worst in the league at deep passes, bad pocket awareness, etc..
Osweiler's struggles with pocket awareness and sacks extend beyond Sunday's second half, too. With mostly the same surrounding playersplayers, Peyton Manning was sacked 15 times in 340 dropbacks, a rate of 4.4 percent that's roughly half Osweiler's (17 sacks in 190 dropbacks, 8.9 percent). Just as interceptions were Manning's primary weakness in 2015, sacks are one of the two main reasons Osweiler's DVOA (-4.8%) is below zero.
The other main reason is Osweiler's inability to throw downfield. As much as Manning has been maligned for his noodle-arm woes, it's actually Osweiler who has struggled the most on passes traveling 15 yards or further in the air. Amongst quarterbacks with at least 15 attempts, Osweiler has the worst DVOA in the league on deep passes.
Osweiler is close to the ultimate dinker-and-dunker. Among quarterbacks with at least 150 attempts, only Matt Ryan has thrown a lower share of his passes deep than Osweiler. While some of that is play-calling choices, those choices also reflect Osweiler's shortcomings. Even with Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders at receiver, the Broncos rarely succeed on the rare occasions they do throw downfield.
It's the combination of Osweiler's tendencies to take sacks and to throw short that is so concerning. A few successful quarterbacks such as Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger have taken lots of sacks, but they were also getting the upside of big plays downfield. At the same time, other guys like Tom Brady and Matt Ryan throw short more often than average, but they also take few sacks. For this season at least, Osweiler is little more than an interception-avoider who has trouble getting through progressions, a poor man's Alex Smith.
His inability to throw deep also influences the running game, as defensive backs can play closer to the line of scrimmage. In part because of the running game's struggles, the offense has been no more efficient under Osweiler (-15.0% DVOA) than it was under Manning (-13.5%). And that leaves the Broncos with a quarterback dilemma with two unpromising options. For 2015, it might be even less likely that Osweiler develops the necessary rapid-fire decision-making skills than that Manning rediscovers just enough of his physical skills to get through a few playoff weeks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mile High Mania:
Anyone remember 1992 - Elway was injured, and Dan Reeves actually switched QBs every other drive for a 4 game stretch. Tommy Maddox and Shawn Moore... they lost all 4 games surprisingly.
Originally Posted by New World Order: Football Outsiders: Brock is the worst in the league at deep passes, bad pocket awareness, etc..
Osweiler's struggles with pocket awareness and sacks extend beyond Sunday's second half, too. With mostly the same surrounding playersplayers, Peyton Manning was sacked 15 times in 340 dropbacks, a rate of 4.4 percent that's roughly half Osweiler's (17 sacks in 190 dropbacks, 8.9 percent). Just as interceptions were Manning's primary weakness in 2015, sacks are one of the two main reasons Osweiler's DVOA (-4.8%) is below zero.
The other main reason is Osweiler's inability to throw downfield. As much as Manning has been maligned for his noodle-arm woes, it's actually Osweiler who has struggled the most on passes traveling 15 yards or further in the air. Amongst quarterbacks with at least 15 attempts, Osweiler has the worst DVOA in the league on deep passes.
Osweiler is close to the ultimate dinker-and-dunker. Among quarterbacks with at least 150 attempts, only Matt Ryan has thrown a lower share of his passes deep than Osweiler. While some of that is play-calling choices, those choices also reflect Osweiler's shortcomings. Even with Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders at receiver, the Broncos rarely succeed on the rare occasions they do throw downfield.
It's the combination of Osweiler's tendencies to take sacks and to throw short that is so concerning. A few successful quarterbacks such as Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger have taken lots of sacks, but they were also getting the upside of big plays downfield. At the same time, other guys like Tom Brady and Matt Ryan throw short more often than average, but they also take few sacks. For this season at least, Osweiler is little more than an interception-avoider who has trouble getting through progressions, a poor man's Alex Smith.
His inability to throw deep also influences the running game, as defensive backs can play closer to the line of scrimmage. In part because of the running game's struggles, the offense has been no more efficient under Osweiler (-15.0% DVOA) than it was under Manning (-13.5%). And that leaves the Broncos with a quarterback dilemma with two unpromising options. For 2015, it might be even less likely that Osweiler develops the necessary rapid-fire decision-making skills than that Manning rediscovers just enough of his physical skills to get through a few playoff weeks.
