The mighty Bills from Buffalo will take the AFC this year.
For two decades I watched people say the Patriots window was closed, that their time was dwindling, that it was all over… seemingly every time those predictions happened, the Patriots went and won another Super Bowl.
A lot of doom talk simply because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. Let us not forget that the Bills watched their brother DIE on the field just a few weeks prior. Their heart was simply not in it. If it had been, the Bills would have captured the AFC last year.
The Bills have won 2 of their last 3 in Arrowhead and they’re ready to make it 3 of the last 4.
Originally Posted by kcgreene:
Oh, I'm not bashing Brady. Maybe I should clarify my take. I think that Brady is currently the GOAT, however, I think that Mahomes has achieved more with less, and data and eyetest quantify such in my opinion.
Because Mahomes has done more with less (for the time period in which he's had the opportunity to do such) I don't think he has to match Brady in terms of rings to be considered the GOAT. I think if he gets a 4th ring while maintaining his statistical output consistently, the real convo begins.
This was more compiled because too many people are ring counters and that's all (which none of those people say Bill Russell is the best NBA player ever). It's also why I gave Manning and Brees credit for winning with worse Defenses. Because it does mean something. It doesn't mean everything, but it does mean something.
Originally I wrote it out to focus on Allen and Lamar's defenses in contrast to Mahomes, I added Brady when it became apparent that Mahomes is no longer competing against his contemporaries, he's competing against legends of the game.
EDIT: I should clarify. I think Brady is the GOAT QB, I personally am more inclined to see Jerry Rice as the GOAT of football in general when you compare him to the other legends and top players ever of his position.
I think Mahomes will end his career as the GOAT Though, so this post will be outdated soon enough.
I also think there is a difference between the "Greatest of All Time" and "The Best of All Time". Greatness implies accomplishment. Best implies talent and ability (In my opinion)
I think Mahomes is clearly the At-This-Point-In-His-Career (ATPIHC) GOAT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
It is mildly amusing how we seamlessly transition from laughing at Bills fans for saying Mahomes isn't as athletic and how he's had a lot of help from coaching, Kelce, Tyreek, a top defense last season; while ignoring his huge football brain and leadership and so forth..., to bashing Brady because he benefited from defense, coaching, etc; and didn't do things Mahomes could but was very smart, dedicated, etc.
The difference between Mahomes and Brady athletically is far greater than the difference between Allen and Mahomes though. In fact, somebody mentioned their athletic profiles are almost identical. Arm strength is close too, even though Bills fans like to pretend that Allen can throw twice as hard as Mahomes. Both have much stronger arms than Brady and obviously both are much more mobile.
I don't personally detract anything from Brady for being coached by Belichick. I think Belichick benefited from that relationship way more than Brady did. Similar to how I view Reid/Mahomes. He was lucky to have elite and creative defenses almost every year though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcgreene:
With the convos happening, I thought this would be a nice addition to this convo. Another one from Barry's collection. :-):-)
Josh Allen has a bulimia problem. Mahomes embraces body positivity and loves his Coors Light. One guy has three Super Bowls, the other guy has a participation ribbon from a conference championship.
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Josh Allen has a bulimia problem. Mahomes embraces body positivity and loves his Coors Light. One guy has three Super Bowls, the other guy has a participation ribbon from a conference championship.
Spoiler alert: He throws up before every game because Patrick's cum upsets his tum-tum. [Reply]
Do we agree on Josh Allen? He really does look like this generations Brett Favre
A pal & colleague called an anonymous NFL exec an “idiot” for stating an opinion on Josh Allen (that I think is correct), and then responded by stating his own opinion, which is belied by the actual historical record. pic.twitter.com/8v9jQii5ZP
Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts.
Mahomes and Allen aren't remotely comparable when it comes to stupid costly turnovers (it's not just INTs).
Now that doesn't mean Allen isn't a great QB, but it's a legitimate knock.
Well notice I didn’t mention fumbles. Josh Allen is more careless than Mahomes with the football overall, but he also scores more TDs than Mahomes.
They’re both the motor that moves their offense. People can talk about turnovers from these dudes all day long. All I see is a couple dudes trying to make some shit shake.
Allen knows when to dial that shit back, just like Mahomes. He’s got a 21:4 TD:INT ratio in the playoffs with 6 additional rushing TDs. Clearly not a dipshit turnover machine like Favre. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Eh, I think the INT business is way overblown. He’s scoring TDs at a clip that makes them a lot more palatable. And a lot like Mahomes, many of his INTs are basically arm punts.
Over blown? Turnovers lose games in this league. [Reply]
