The mighty Bills from Buffalo will take the AFC this year.
For two decades I watched people say the Patriots window was closed, that their time was dwindling, that it was all over… seemingly every time those predictions happened, the Patriots went and won another Super Bowl.
A lot of doom talk simply because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. Let us not forget that the Bills watched their brother DIE on the field just a few weeks prior. Their heart was simply not in it. If it had been, the Bills would have captured the AFC last year.
The Bills have won 2 of their last 3 in Arrowhead and they’re ready to make it 3 of the last 4.
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
That thread on Allen vs Mahomes doesn’t disappoint.
“mahomes is the better regular season qb, allen is the better playoff qb
so all things considered give me allen”
I was just checking up on it myself... you have a few rational Bills fans there it seems like... but it's blatantly obvious that the guy wants to write off any help Allen gets as 'flukey' while 'MahOmES gEts AlL tHe hElP!'
I call them homers, even though we have plenty of ours here.
All I have to say, is damn, are we blessed that Patrick Lavon Mahomes II as our Quarterback. [Reply]
I think we can all agree that Veach is a far better GM than Beane, but it's not like Beane is Ryan Grigson to Allen's Andrew Luck or anything like that.
Allen has had defenses that are absolutely good enough for most of his seasons (if not all of them). He's had good OLs. Dawson Knox isn't Kelce, but he's not some shlub, either. And they've had WRs. That's enough talent to make shit work. And if Allen were as good as the Bills claim he is, he should be able to eke out one win against Mahomes with that collection of players.
I think that may change as Beane has had a rough go of it thus far getting outsmarted by Veach in the draft and being unable to replace aging or expensive players with younger talent. Either that, or Beane has squandered resources on inefficient production guys like old ass Von Miller in the name of going all in, but he hasn't quite figured out that those opportunities to go all in show up often enough when you just remain patient and pick the players that can actually help your team without preventing you from adding to the roster in other areas.
So sure, this might change beginning this year, but up until this point, Josh has had just as easy of a go of it in terms of winning as Mahomes in terms of his surrounding talent.
And yeah, that includes the refs as well. If anything, Allen has had MORE help from officials than Mahomes in their playoff games against each other. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RedinTexas:
I see Allen when things go wrong and he has that "deer in the headlights" look. He's accepting defeat when he looks like that. I don't think Patrick ever accepts defeat. So, once you see Allen with the deer in the headlights look, it's game over.
I actually disagree. Neither quarterback is a quitter. That's what made the :13 game so great. Watching two elite QBs go at it, simply refusing to give up.
Allen is the better athlete, but Mahomes is more talented. Talent won out.
Now somebody like Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rodgers, down double digits late in the game, they will quit on their team. They're not wired the same. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake:
I actually disagree. Neither quarterback is a quitter. That's what made the :13 game so great. Watching two elite QBs go at it, simply refusing to give up.
Allen is the better athlete, but Mahomes is more talented. Talent won out.
Now somebody like Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rodgers, down double digits late in the game, they will quit on their team. They're not wired the same.
Allen is very competitive and definitely is not a quitter. Not so much ‘deer in headlights’ but he does get flustered in pressure situations. That is what separates Mahomes from these other guys. He can still perform under the utmost pressure. Sometimes it’s as simple as doing the simple things well under pressure. Mahomes does that. Allen not so much. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCBlitz:
Allen is very competitive and definitely is not a quitter. Not so much ‘deer in headlights’ but he does get flustered in pressure situations. That is what separates Mahomes from these other guys. He can still perform under the utmost pressure. Sometimes it’s as simple as doing the simple things well under pressure. Mahomes does that. Allen not so much.
Allen’s issues under pressure are largely ignored by Bills fans but it’s one of the biggest differentiators between him and Mahomes. This was never on better display than the last Bills possession against us in the last game.
On three consecutive plays Allen was an unmitigated disaster on all three, as he tried to give the game away.
On first down he threw a hospital ball to Diggs who was fortunate to not catch it. On second down he threw a perfect pick 6 to Sneed but McDuffie had a “great” pass break up on that one. Then on third down he ran it immediately after dropping back to pass and fumbled the ball which at minimum should have been a Chiefs recovery and was close to a fumble return for a TD.
Then of course a few plays later he missed the obvious pass to Diggs crossing right in front of him which at minimum ends with the Bills kicking a game tying field goal as time comes close to exiting.
Mahomes doesn’t make even one of those mistakes in the tightest moments, let alone all four on one drive. We all saw him double clutch in the Super Bowl at the end as the play called had potential but also was not smart in the situation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Allen’s issues under pressure are largely ignored by Bills fans but it’s one of the biggest differentiators between him and Mahomes. This was never on better display than the last Bills possession against us in the last game.
On three consecutive plays Allen was an unmitigated disaster on all three, as he tried to give the game away.
On first down he threw a hospital ball to Diggs who was fortunate to not catch it. On second down he threw a perfect pick 6 to Sneed but McDuffie had a “great” pass break up on that one. Then on third down he ran it immediately after dropping back to pass and fumbled the ball which at minimum should have been a Chiefs recovery and was close to a fumble return for a TD.
Then of course a few plays later he missed the obvious pass to Diggs crossing right in front of him which at minimum ends with the Bills kicking a game tying field goal as time comes close to exiting.
Mahomes doesn’t make even one of those mistakes in the tightest moments, let alone all four on one drive. We all saw him double clutch in the Super Bowl at the end as the play called had potential but also was not smart in the situation.
Spot on! Of course Bills fans don’t see it, or refuse to see it. I was watching that game thinking we were going to lose when the 2 min warning came. I couldn’t believe Allen was being patient and had the opportunity to out-Mahomes Mahomes right at that moment. Then, of course, he went to Allen mode after the 2min warning. But their fans will blame the kicker, coaches, defense, snow etc before they will ever blame the guy that’s responsible. lol [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCBlitz:
Allen is very competitive and definitely is not a quitter. Not so much ‘deer in headlights’ but he does get flustered in pressure situations. That is what separates Mahomes from these other guys. He can still perform under the utmost pressure. Sometimes it’s as simple as doing the simple things well under pressure. Mahomes does that. Allen not so much.
Yes this is the difference. Allen is no quitter, but he panics sometimes and gets rattled much easier that Mahomes. Mahomes has SIGNIFICANTLY higher football IQ too. He's like Mcduffie...the dudes are just natural born football players that never have to overthink anything because the game just come so naturally to them both. They hardly ever make the wrong decision. [Reply]
Allen is a great Quarterback. That being said, Mahomes is closer to Brady than Allen is to Mahomes, so mentioning them in the same breath as Bills fans are is very much underselling and disrespectful to PM2.
Not to mention how Bills fans keep blaming their defenses, which have been consistently top of the league in Points per Drive, while Mahomes Defenses outside of 2023 have never even touched the top 12.
I can't wait to 3-peat next year while that team is burning down and covered in snow in January. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcgreene:
Allen is a great Quarterback. That being said, Mahomes is closer to Brady than Allen is to Mahomes, so mentioning them in the same breath as Bills fans are is very much underselling and disrespectful to PM2.
Not to mention how Bills fans keep blaming their defenses, which have been consistently top of the league in Points per Drive, while Mahomes Defenses outside of 2023 have never even touched the top 12.
I can't wait to 3-peat next year while that team is burning down and covered in snow in January.
They act like they totally outplayed the Chiefs last year but "Bass missed wide right" and that was why they lost.
The reality is the Chiefs dominated that game for 4 quarters and the only reason it was close was because the Bills had some crazy fumble fortune in that game. Including Hardman's horrid fumble out of the end zone. If not for that the Chiefs probably win by 2 scores. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
I think we can all agree that Veach is a far better GM than Beane, but it's not like Beane is Ryan Grigson to Allen's Andrew Luck or anything like that.
Allen has had defenses that are absolutely good enough for most of his seasons (if not all of them). He's had good OLs. Dawson Knox isn't Kelce, but he's not some shlub, either. And they've had WRs. That's enough talent to make shit work. And if Allen were as good as the Bills claim he is, he should be able to eke out one win against Mahomes with that collection of players.
I think that may change as Beane has had a rough go of it thus far getting outsmarted by Veach in the draft and being unable to replace aging or expensive players with younger talent. Either that, or Beane has squandered resources on inefficient production guys like old ass Von Miller in the name of going all in, but he hasn't quite figured out that those opportunities to go all in show up often enough when you just remain patient and pick the players that can actually help your team without preventing you from adding to the roster in other areas.
So sure, this might change beginning this year, but up until this point, Josh has had just as easy of a go of it in terms of winning as Mahomes in terms of his surrounding talent.
And yeah, that includes the refs as well. If anything, Allen has had MORE help from officials than Mahomes in their playoff games against each other.
Beane actually isn't in charge.
It's McDermott. And McDermott wants to spend gobs of money on veteran D Line backups and old players.
Beane is an admin and figure head who was collecting helmets and equipment in Carolina, has zero scouting background. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcgreene:
Allen is a great Quarterback. That being said, Mahomes is closer to Brady than Allen is to Mahomes, so mentioning them in the same breath as Bills fans are is very much underselling and disrespectful to PM2.
Not to mention how Bills fans keep blaming their defenses, which have been consistently top of the league in Points per Drive, while Mahomes Defenses outside of 2023 have never even touched the top 12.
I can't wait to 3-peat next year while that team is burning down and covered in snow in January.
Them blaming defense would hold more validity if they were doing the same thing in the regular season. They aren’t. They actually are pretty effective at beating KC in the regular season. Problem is they can’t do it when it matters.
They can blame their defense in the :13 second game all they want, but if not for an awful defensive performance by KC there is no :13 seconds and KC wins easily.
Allen is good, but only once has he even taken Buffalo to the AFCCG. Not once did he will the 32nd rank defense to within an overtime coin flip (under the old system) of a SB. It’s not like his teams lacked for talent either. [Reply]
