Originally Posted by htismaqe:
What risk? Until it can actually be quantified we have no idea what the risk of playing Patrick is.
But we know right get now what the risk is of not getting the #1 seed.
If he's healthy, he plays. This team knows what the task at hand is. They're not going to play scared.
It's not about playing scared as you say... It's about being smarter about your situation. If you can win the game with Wentz because the Texans aren't as good as they were earlier in the year and get Mahomes healthier then do it. Maybe some are just scared that Wentz can't win this game is what it comes down to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
That's not being a coward it's about making a calculated strategic decision.
If he can play the and reinjury risk is small, then yes play him. But if the reinjury risk is high, I don't see why you rush him out there for a nonplayoff game for a team whose goal is the Super Bowl and what would be a first time ever three-peat. Especially when you consider the shortened time-span between games for these last 3.
Wentz is a capable backup and Reid knows how to design plays to make an offense w Wentz good enough to win. Don't forget we can pound the ball w Pacheco/Hunt as well.
Chiefs have yet to score over 30-pts all season w Mahomes at QB. This team wins with defense most of the time and that can continue this Sunday for one game.
The strategic decision is to get the #1 seed while it's there for the taking and rest everybody going into the playoffs.
You're trying to play prevent and hope that the rest of the team stays healthy around Pat without any rest while they're playing TWO GAMES (Denver and Wild Card weekend) they don't even have to play if they win the next two.
You go on about how the offense with Wentz will be fine and then end your post talking about how it hasn't been good even with Mahomes. What gives you the idea that Andy can just dial up an offense and make it work with Wentz when he hasn't really been able to that for Pat in 14 games? Also our running game is bad. Defenses don't respect it all. Running the ball more would just shorten the game.
The rest angle just makes zero sense. Win the #1 seed and the WHOLE team will be rested and ready for the playoffs. If Pat's ankle is worse than everybody thought it becomes even more dire. He rests a week, doesn't get better soon enough, and then they miss the #1 seed. Pat is once again playing in two games that he wouldn't have to play in otherwise.
You're actually INCREASING the injury risk over time by subjecting him to more games and thus more hits. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warrick:
It's not about playing scared as you say... It's about being smarter about your situation. If you can win the game with Wentz because the Texans aren't as good as they were earlier in the year and get Mahomes healthier then do it. Maybe some are just scared that Wentz can't win this game is what it comes down to.
IF you can win a game with Wentz. IF.
I'm not scared of it. I'm just recognize the probabilities. The chances of us losing are greater with Wentz. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a backup. He'd be starting somewhere. It's pretty obvious to anyone not insisting that he play this weekend.
The situation is this - win the next two games and every body gets a ton of time off. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Warrick:
It's not about playing scared as you say... It's about being smarter about your situation. If you can win the game with Wentz because the Texans aren't as good as they were earlier in the year and get Mahomes healthier then do it. Maybe some are just scared that Wentz can't win this game is what it comes down to.
What evidence do we have to suggest that Wentz can win the game? [Reply]
Originally Posted by el borracho:
Patrick Mahomes is basically the Black Knight in a Monty Python skit. You could cut off all of his limbs and Patrick would still insist he is good to go.
If there is a decision to make, Andy is going to have to make it.
This.
Pat is our modern day GOAT, but dude would play if his spleen burst and he was bleeding internally.
Common sense needs to rule here.
Let Andy make the call. If he says Mahomes is good to go, then I trust his judgement.
If he thinks Pat needs to sit, then he can design a game plan around Wentz where our running game will be heavily stressed, probably some play action.
Our team and defense is capable of winning this game w/o Mahomes.
But we're obviously a better team with him.
Andy will make the right call. I have no doubt. He knows what's at stake. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
There are people here that have said he should sit, period.
If this is about him being medically cleared, then we agree. If he's cleared, he should play. If he's not, he won't. It's that simple.
But suggesting he needs to sit no matter what is just dumb and several people have said it.
I don't think we should rest him no matter what but like IDK I don't totally trust Mahomes to like err on the side of not playing. That's not a dig at him that's why he's so good but I'm just thinking of (I can't remember what game it was, maybe in 2022) where he got fucked up and hobbled off and refused to go for xrays and Bienemy and Reid had to yell at him until he was like "fucking FINE okay I'll do it". of course he came back in the 2nd half and won. It's just like if there aren't bones sticking out of his legs Mahomes is going to say "I'm good let's go" Even then it'd be 50/50 that he'd want to go back out there.
But ulitmately I trust the team to make the right call. [Reply]
Once a decision on a starter is made, the Chiefs should do everything in their power to convince the Texans that the other player will be starting. Especially if they decide to make Wentz the starter. I wish SR was here to DM this fabulous (& completely original) idea to Andy. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
IF you can win a game with Wentz. IF.
I'm not scared of it. I'm just recognize the probabilities. The chances of us losing are greater with Wentz. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a backup. He'd be starting somewhere. It's pretty obvious to anyone not insisting that he play this weekend.
The situation is this - win the next two games and every body gets a ton of time off.
There's two sides to that situation you posted at the end of your quote in regards to health. The one you gave is best case scenario. I'm fine with playing Mahomes if he's healthy enough to play - the plan being to get rid of the ball as fast as possible, and the coaches sign off on it for the record. But, if he shows any sign of gimpiness you keep him out for the sake of the playoffs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by T-post Tom:
Once a decision on a starter is made, the Chiefs should do everything in their power to convince the Texans that the other player will be starting. Especially if they decide to make Wentz the starter. I wish SR was here to DM Andy.
Chiefs should definitely not commit to a starter until kickoff. :-)
Make the Texans burn time reviewing tape on Wentz. [Reply]
