Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by RedinTexas:
Article on CBS sports quotes Carson Palmer saying Burrow is the best QB in the league. The writer thinks Palmer's reasoning is crap.
The reasoning is crap because it's the kind of nebulous bullshit you hear from talking heads when they don't have a real argument to make so they're trying to will one into existence.
The CBS author says "Hey, maybe he is the best..." and then crickets. He suggested that Palmer should be making a different argument but damn sure never attempted to establish what that argument might be.
Because the only way to argue this point is to, as they say, baffle you with bullshit. Make an argument so gray and so fluid that you can't really directly attack it. Don't say "Well he's more accurate" because that can be addressed...and dismissed. Or that he's more mobile. Or has a stronger arm. Or that he's more accomplished. You can't say any of that because it's leading with your chin.
But you can say nonsense like "He runs the plays" or "He processes better" because there's not a simple statistical argument that you can be beat over the head with.
Trust me - Carson stood in front of a mirror for a few days practicing that little speech and has a trashcan full of crumpled up efforts at making precisely the kind of 'good' arguments that CBS Sports says he should make.
The problem is - he can't make 'em. They flat don't exist.
There is no discussion here - Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in football and anyone that says otherwise is just selling you something. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The reasoning is crap because it's the kind of nebulous bullshit you hear from talking heads when they don't have a real argument to make so they're trying to will one into existence.
The CBS author says "Hey, maybe he is the best..." and then crickets. He suggested that Palmer should be making a different argument but damn sure never attempted to establish what that argument might be.
Because the only way to argue this point is to, as they say, baffle you with bullshit. Make an argument so gray and so fluid that you can't really directly attack it. Don't say "Well he's more accurate" because that can be addressed...and dismissed. Or that he's more mobile. Or has a stronger arm. Or that he's more accomplished. You can't say any of that because it's leading with your chin.
But you can say nonsense like "He runs the plays" or "He processes better" because there's not a simple statistical argument that you can be beat over the head with.
Trust me - Carson stood in front of a mirror for a few days practicing that little speech and has a trashcan full of crumpled up efforts at making precisely the kind of 'good' arguments that CBS Sports says he should make.
The problem is - he can't make 'em. They flat don't exist.
There is no discussion here - Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in football and anyone that says otherwise is just selling you something.
When the o-line gets beat like a drum and nobody is open, Mahomes can still routinely make shit happen. Better than anyone else I've ever watched. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
The reasoning is crap because it's the kind of nebulous bullshit you hear from talking heads when they don't have a real argument to make so they're trying to will one into existence.
The CBS author says "Hey, maybe he is the best..." and then crickets. He suggested that Palmer should be making a different argument but damn sure never attempted to establish what that argument might be.
Because the only way to argue this point is to, as they say, baffle you with bullshit. Make an argument so gray and so fluid that you can't really directly attack it. Don't say "Well he's more accurate" because that can be addressed...and dismissed. Or that he's more mobile. Or has a stronger arm. Or that he's more accomplished. You can't say any of that because it's leading with your chin.
But you can say nonsense like "He runs the plays" or "He processes better" because there's not a simple statistical argument that you can be beat over the head with.
Trust me - Carson stood in front of a mirror for a few days practicing that little speech and has a trashcan full of crumpled up efforts at making precisely the kind of 'good' arguments that CBS Sports says he should make.
The problem is - he can't make 'em. They flat don't exist.
There is no discussion here - Patrick Mahomes is the best QB in football and anyone that says otherwise is just selling you something.
What I am always fascinated by is how Mahomes' weapons were viewed as a liability and the reason for his success, yet no other QB has that held against them. Burrow has two #1 WRs and one high #2. Yet that is never held against Burrow.
Burrow is good no doubt. He is on a HOF path. If he retired today he would not be in the HOF.
Mahomes is better and is on a Greatest to Ever Play The Position path. He could retire today and very likely be a HOFer if not a first ballot HOFer.
Mahomes is a threat to the old guard. He plays a style very different than most of the old school QBs and doing it better than they did with their style. That is unnerving because he's doing things everyone was taught to NOT do and he is paving the way for a new style of QB coming up. Kids are growing up to be the next Mahomes, not the next Carson Palmer. Burrow is the last of a dying breed of the pure pocket passer. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
“Joe doesn’t have any weaknesses.”
His left knee would like to have a word with you.
His 4th quarters are crap and his pocket presence would like a word
He gets sacked a lot and never gets the blame. He's too blame for half of the. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
What I am always fascinated by is how Mahomes' weapons were viewed as a liability and the reason for his success, yet no other QB has that held against them. Burrow has two #1 WRs and one high #2. Yet that is never held against Burrow.
Burrow is good no doubt. He is on a HOF path. If he retired today he would not be in the HOF.
Mahomes is better and is on a Greatest to Ever Play The Position path. He could retire today and very likely be a HOFer if not a first ballot HOFer.
Mahomes is a threat to the old guard. He plays a style very different than most of the old school QBs and doing it better than they did with their style. That is unnerving because he's doing things everyone was taught to NOT do and he is paving the way for a new style of QB coming up. Kids are growing up to be the next Mahomes, not the next Carson Palmer. Burrow is the last of a dying breed of the pure pocket passer.
Hell, how about "Allen has nothing around him!!!"
But more on Burrow. Want to blame the OL issues for Burrow's last loss? Okay. Then why is he so pedestrian in the regular season? He's got enough riches on offense to make Solomon blush, and the guy is never even fucking close to MVP numbers, nor does he put his team in a position to challenge for most wins in the conference.
Burrow reminds me of Brady only without the fucking horseshoe up his ass. [Reply]
Burrow has gotten so much mileage out of mahomes shitting his pants in that AFC title game a couple years ago. Joe didn’t even do anything to win it. Pat just shit his pants.
It definitely helped a bit that we were able to get revenge this year but that game still chaps my ass probably the most angry I’ve ever been at a loss.
If not for that fluke, we wouldn’t even be having these debates between Joe and Pat. [Reply]
