Originally Posted by tredadda:
Yup. Robinson will be risky based on cost vs ROI. If folks are not happy with Taylor based on what he’s being paid, I am not so sure that they will be pleased with Robinson.
I don't think Robinson fixes anything. If Joe Thuneys slow losses aren't cutting it Robinsons not a huge upgrade. He's a little better against outside speed but you sure wont see the bang for the buck. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
You can win with a an offensive roster, a balanced roster, and a defensive roster.
Glad we won 2 of the last 3 SB's with a defensive roster. But I don't think Veach wanted to make the offense this weak.
It just naturally happened.
I think it's time to recalibrate and build up the offense because scoring points relieves a lot of pressure on the defense. It's hard to play defense when your offense goes 15-16 drives without a TD (last year) or can't get a drive going in a first half (this year).
Couldn't agree more, we need to get back to that high flying, death defying offensive style from Mahomes first 3-4 years
We didn't have "great" defenses those years, but it didn't matter because we were almost scoring at will and no one could keep up [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
Gaining more than 24 yards of total offense in the first half… not an unreasonable expectation.
Not going 16 straight offensive possessions without scoring a TD… not an unreasonable expectation.
The Chiefs offense has been mediocre during the past two seasons despite having Mahomes in the prime of his career.
They were able to overcome their offensive struggles with an elite defense last year.
All true, but realistically the reason its overlooked is because we win the games that matter, against other teams that are typically high scoring offenses, so we don't necessarily discuss them as a fan base.
Weve also been taking WR's with our 1st round picks so its not like the FO doesn't think we don't need to empower the offense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Reading comprehension not your strong suit.
Don't put words in my mouth.
Nobody has to put words in your mouth. You've been doing this shit for 3 years, you just conveniently moved the goalposts from WR to include OT to paint your narrative now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Easier said than done. You don't want to give away too much capital to move up into the Top 10 of the Draft. And even if you do that, there is a serious risk the guy will be a mega bust. Eric Fisher was a #1 overall Draft pick and never really lived up to the hype, even though he was a solid player and Mahomes trusted him.
I don't think they will have great options through free agency or trading to get a veteran player either. You'll end up overpaying for a dude that isn't great (another Jawaan Taylor) or has injury baggage that might blow up in your face (DJ Humphries, Ronnie Stanley/Cam Robinson??).
Maybe they just need to get lucky with Kingsley or Wanya or some other draft pick magically turning into a solid guy at this position. The team has had its share of bad luck at this position ever since Eric Fisher's injury. Maybe one of these days their luck will turn around.
I'm gonna bet we end up throwing numbers at it, because yeah the other options just don't look great unless some team unloads a reliable guy because they got a gem in the draft or a free agent they simply like better
Bring Humphries back, Kingsley, some mid FA looking for a fresh start etc... it'll be something like that IMO [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Nobody has to put words in your mouth. You've been doing this shit for 3 years, you just conveniently moved the goalposts from WR to include OT to paint your narrative now.
I don't know how a supposed man that is as much a pussy as you are survives hearing opinions that aren't pure cheerleading on a message board.
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
All true, but realistically the reason its overlooked is because we win the games that matter, against other teams that are typically high scoring offenses, so we don't necessarily discuss them as a fan base.
Weve also been taking WR's with our 1st round picks so its not like the FO doesn't think we don't need to empower the offense.
The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.
The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.
The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.
The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.
The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason.
Drafting a LT prospect in the 2nd round is not neglect. Maybe incompetence but definitely not neglect. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.
The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.
The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason.
In both cases, the major problem I had was Veach not also signing some cheap vets as backup.
Sure it would be nice if Sky Moore or Kadarius Toney becomes a #1 WR. But hope isn't a plan.
Same with drafting Kingsley a guy that was super raw coming out and not signing a vet LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.
The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.
The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason.
I wouldn’t say it’s an assumption. It’s worked at about the highest level that anything works.
Chiefs won the Super Bowl in 2023 with an elite defense and the offense doing just enough.
Chiefs went 15-1 in 2024 and went to the Super Bowl.
Sounds like things are working pretty well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FloridaMan88:
The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.
The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.
The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason.
Donovan Smith
Tyron Smith
Cornelius Lucas
Duane Brown
DJ Humphries
Charles Leno
David Bakhtiari
Trent Brown
Yosh Nijman
Andria Peat
Josh Jones
Matt Peart
Andre Dillard
None of the assholes would have done shit for us [Reply]
Originally Posted by Dunerdr:
I don't think Robinson fixes anything. If Joe Thuneys slow losses aren't cutting it Robinsons not a huge upgrade. He's a little better against outside speed but you sure wont see the bang for the buck.
Robinson has the type of injury history that makes it a pretty big risk to pay him big money. Same thing on Ronnie Stanley. At least Stanley has the higher upside. If you get lucky and he stays healthy, you’re in a billion times better spot than what we just witnessed in the 2024 season. Of course I think Baltimore might just keep Stanley and take that injury risk in their own right. [Reply]
The only thing that is going to fix anything is firing Nagy and finding a young OC who uses presnap motion to optimize our outside speed and to get a viable running back + run blockers. We saw some good things against Buffalo but 20 other games of complete incompetency relative to talent disposal. [Reply]
