Browns fan here. I read through this thread and found it quite interesting to say the least when it comes to an analysis of the Browns. First, I give the Browns about a 2% shot to win this game. The defense is overhauled and I think it needs playing time together to be at its best. I would rather have had this game in November or later to give the Browns a better shot.
The defense we trotted out in playoff game last yr wasn't good. Garrett wasn't even right, he was still recovering from the affects of his COVID stint and wasn't the same after coming back. He should be back to form for week 1.
The Browns secondary last yr was pretty bad. We had guys like Robert Jackson, Tavier Thomas, Andrew Sendejo, MJ Stewart, Kevin Johnson, and Karl Joseph starting at various times in the secondary last yr. It was pretty bad. All of those guys are gone except MJ. I suspect the secondary will be much better, even for week 1 because the talent level will be much better even if the chemistry won't be at its optimal. We will be playing the following guys week 1 most likely:
Greg Newsome - 1st Rd draft pick in this past draft
John Johnson - Safety from Rams last year
Troy Hill - slot corner from Rams
Denzel Ward- starter last year
Greedy Williams - Missed all last year due to shoulder injury
Grant Delpit - Missed all rookie yr last yr with ACL injury
Ronnie Harrison - Safety from Jaguars, played well last year for us.
The upgrade in talent will help, how much I can't say, but it cant be worse than Robert Jackson and Tavier Thomas and Andrew Sendejo.
The DL did go through changes. I do wish we had kept Shelden Richardson, he played well last yr. Ogunjobi did have flash plays but they were few and far between. I think the DT unit will be better with both Malik McDowell and Malik Jackson. The DE group I think depends on how well Clowney plays, if he can cause pressure I think he will get sacks with Myles helping him out. He wont be double teamed like he has been in the past. He needs to stay healthy though. Clowney has stated this is the best he has felt in a while, we haven't seen in play yet in the preseason so my expectations are tampered until I see how he plays.
As far as the offense goes, I think we are fine. OBJ whether he has chemistry or not will affect the Chiefs defense, they won't be able to be so tight on the WRs as they were in the playoffs due to the speed and ability of OBJ. We also added Anthony Schwartz from the draft who is just as fast as Hill, but no where near the WR as Hill, but his speed will help loosen up the defense.
I see alot of people ragging on Baker, even some saying he was a dink and dunker even though he was one of the best QBs in the league on deep passes last year. I think another year with the same coaching staff will elevate his game as he will understand the offense much better and be far more comfortable. You saw this in the 2nd half of the season where he was one of the top QBs in the league the 2nd half of the year.
In the end I expect the Chiefs to win and probably by double digits as I don't think the Browns defense will have gelled enough to cause problems from KC. I think our best hope to win is that the Chiefs offensive line with all its new players has issues that Garrett and Clowney can take advantage of. [Reply]
Originally Posted by runyon27:
Browns fan here. I read through this thread and found it quite interesting to say the least when it comes to an analysis of the Browns. First, I give the Browns about a 2% shot to win this game. The defense is overhauled and I think it needs playing time together to be at its best. I would rather have had this game in November or later to give the Browns a better shot.
The defense we trotted out in playoff game last yr wasn't good. Garrett wasn't even right, he was still recovering from the affects of his COVID stint and wasn't the same after coming back. He should be back to form for week 1.
The Browns secondary last yr was pretty bad. We had guys like Robert Jackson, Tavier Thomas, Andrew Sendejo, MJ Stewart, Kevin Johnson, and Karl Joseph starting at various times in the secondary last yr. It was pretty bad. All of those guys are gone except MJ. I suspect the secondary will be much better, even for week 1 because the talent level will be much better even if the chemistry won't be at its optimal. We will be playing the following guys week 1 most likely:
Greg Newsome - 1st Rd draft pick in this past draft
John Johnson - Safety from Rams last year
Troy Hill - slot corner from Rams
Denzel Ward- starter last year
Greedy Williams - Missed all last year due to shoulder injury
Grant Delpit - Missed all rookie yr last yr with ACL injury
Ronnie Harrison - Safety from Jaguars, played well last year for us.
The upgrade in talent will help, how much I can't say, but it cant be worse than Robert Jackson and Tavier Thomas and Andrew Sendejo.
The DL did go through changes. I do wish we had kept Shelden Richardson, he played well last yr. Ogunjobi did have flash plays but they were few and far between. I think the DT unit will be better with both Malik McDowell and Malik Jackson. The DE group I think depends on how well Clowney plays, if he can cause pressure I think he will get sacks with Myles helping him out. He wont be double teamed like he has been in the past. He needs to stay healthy though. Clowney has stated this is the best he has felt in a while, we haven't seen in play yet in the preseason so my expectations are tampered until I see how he plays.
As far as the offense goes, I think we are fine. OBJ whether he has chemistry or not will affect the Chiefs defense, they won't be able to be so tight on the WRs as they were in the playoffs due to the speed and ability of OBJ. We also added Anthony Schwartz from the draft who is just as fast as Hill, but no where near the WR as Hill, but his speed will help loosen up the defense.
I see alot of people ragging on Baker, even some saying he was a dink and dunker even though he was one of the best QBs in the league on deep passes last year. I think another year with the same coaching staff will elevate his game as he will understand the offense much better and be far more comfortable. You saw this in the 2nd half of the season where he was one of the top QBs in the league the 2nd half of the year.
In the end I expect the Chiefs to win and probably by double digits as I don't think the Browns defense will have gelled enough to cause problems from KC. I think our best hope to win is that the Chiefs offensive line with all its new players has issues that Garrett and Clowney can take advantage of.
Still a below average defense and Baker sucks so... [Reply]
Originally Posted by eastsidedawg:
i would normally say no ... but i actually watched him in the preseason i think he is the highest graded defensive player by PFF in the whole NFL.
Originally Posted by runyon27:
Browns fan here. I read through this thread and found it quite interesting to say the least when it comes to an analysis of the Browns. First, I give the Browns about a 2% shot to win this game. The defense is overhauled and I think it needs playing time together to be at its best. I would rather have had this game in November or later to give the Browns a better shot.
The defense we trotted out in playoff game last yr wasn't good. Garrett wasn't even right, he was still recovering from the affects of his COVID stint and wasn't the same after coming back. He should be back to form for week 1.
The Browns secondary last yr was pretty bad. We had guys like Robert Jackson, Tavier Thomas, Andrew Sendejo, MJ Stewart, Kevin Johnson, and Karl Joseph starting at various times in the secondary last yr. It was pretty bad. All of those guys are gone except MJ. I suspect the secondary will be much better, even for week 1 because the talent level will be much better even if the chemistry won't be at its optimal. We will be playing the following guys week 1 most likely:
Greg Newsome - 1st Rd draft pick in this past draft
John Johnson - Safety from Rams last year
Troy Hill - slot corner from Rams
Denzel Ward- starter last year
Greedy Williams - Missed all last year due to shoulder injury
Grant Delpit - Missed all rookie yr last yr with ACL injury
Ronnie Harrison - Safety from Jaguars, played well last year for us.
The upgrade in talent will help, how much I can't say, but it cant be worse than Robert Jackson and Tavier Thomas and Andrew Sendejo.
The DL did go through changes. I do wish we had kept Shelden Richardson, he played well last yr. Ogunjobi did have flash plays but they were few and far between. I think the DT unit will be better with both Malik McDowell and Malik Jackson. The DE group I think depends on how well Clowney plays, if he can cause pressure I think he will get sacks with Myles helping him out. He wont be double teamed like he has been in the past. He needs to stay healthy though. Clowney has stated this is the best he has felt in a while, we haven't seen in play yet in the preseason so my expectations are tampered until I see how he plays.
As far as the offense goes, I think we are fine. OBJ whether he has chemistry or not will affect the Chiefs defense, they won't be able to be so tight on the WRs as they were in the playoffs due to the speed and ability of OBJ. We also added Anthony Schwartz from the draft who is just as fast as Hill, but no where near the WR as Hill, but his speed will help loosen up the defense.
I see alot of people ragging on Baker, even some saying he was a dink and dunker even though he was one of the best QBs in the league on deep passes last year. I think another year with the same coaching staff will elevate his game as he will understand the offense much better and be far more comfortable. You saw this in the 2nd half of the season where he was one of the top QBs in the league the 2nd half of the year.
In the end I expect the Chiefs to win and probably by double digits as I don't think the Browns defense will have gelled enough to cause problems from KC. I think our best hope to win is that the Chiefs offensive line with all its new players has issues that Garrett and Clowney can take advantage of.
Here's my problem with Baker Mayfield:
In the five years that Alex Smith was the QB in Kansas City, he threw for 17,608 yards in 76 games, and average of ~231 per game (Baker averages 222 for his career in Cleveland).....anyways, that won us exactly ONE playoff game in five years.
Now, fast forward to last year's playoff game Chiefs v. Browns. Pat Mahomes goes out at 7:44 left in the 3rd quarter, and the game is finished by Chad Henne. at that point, the score was 19 - 10, but the Chiefs kicked a field goal to make it 22 - 10 with 4:24 remaining. Cleveland scores a TD on their next drive, which goes into the 4th, 11:07 remaining. Next, Henne tosses an Interception, and with exactly 8 minutes remaining, Cleveland gets the ball off the turnover.....
At this point, they have all the momentum, just got a big turnover, and plenty of time to drive down the field and take control of the game.....with more than enough time to not have to change their offense at all.
And what do the Browns do? They proceed to go 12 yards on 7 plays, eating up 3:51 off the clock....and they had to covert a 4th and 1 to even do that. In the process, Mayfield completed a 4 yard pass, a 5 yard pass, and a 2 yard pass....in the most critical of times, Mayfield failed....sorry to be so blunt.
Now to wrap this all up: Baker Mayfield may be all that you say he is....I'm sure you've watched him way more than I have.....but show me one "clutch" play where Baker carried the team on his shoulders....because he sure as heck couldn't do it when the lights were the brightest and everything was on the line.
As of right now, he's Alex Smith without the ball security: He needs a ton of help to win. Every year with Alex, it was "need better receivers" or "look at our Defense", and every year it was the same.....couldn't win the big game, couldn't elevate the team.
Keep in mind, the Alex years were behind Matt Freaking Cassel....who might single handedly be the worst QB I've seen start for any extended period of time. Alex was light years better than Cassel, still wasn't good enough, no differently than Baker is light years ahead of the crap the Browns have trotted out there over the years.
But at the end of the day, beat frigging Chad Henne for crying out loud when you have everything going in your favor....but Baker didn't, and I don't think he really can, because that's not something that can be taught.
And that is my problem with Baker Mayfield, and hence the Browns in general.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by HC_Chief:
Chris Jones is going to strike fear into the hearts of the Cleveland offense. That dude is so disruptive, and now with him attacking from the edge, then sliding into the middle on 3rd down, he is going to wear out their OTs and OGs. The Browns are going to have to double and triple-team him, and keep chipping with backs. That will free up Reed, Nnadi, and Clark to beat their man in 1:1 blocking. That pressure will screw up timing and lead to mistakes for our secondary to capitalize upon. Add additional pressure thanks to our offense going down the field for TDs on a recurring basis. Ugly. It is going to be ugly :-)
Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar:
So it's the lake that makes Cleveland superior? Other than that, it seems like KC with less impressive architecture.
Big game at Arrowhead>>>>anything to do in Cleveland
i just named like 10 things of the top of my head ... but for real what do people do in KC i have never been.
— Tyler Johnson (@T_johnson_TJ) :-)43923615604737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2021
Yeah, I’m sure the guy who has held his own against Chris Jones and Jarran Reed throughout training camp in 1x1s is going to get his ass kicked by a guy who has never done anything in he NFL.
Nice highlight, though. Did that guy even make the team? [Reply]
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