Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
For some reason that doesn't get talked about. Willie Gay had one hit him right in the hands and not a peep from the media about it. Hell, not even a peep from Chiefs fans really.
I'd have to look at the game again, but you can certainly make the case that Herbert had some potential INT's too.
Potential INT's is fucking stupid anyway, but since we're on the subject....
They also had a couple balls get tipped up into the air that could've been INTs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
For some reason that doesn't get talked about. Willie Gay had one hit him right in the hands and not a peep from the media about it. Hell, not even a peep from Chiefs fans really.
I'd have to look at the game again, but you can certainly make the case that Herbert had some potential INT's too.
Potential INT's is fucking stupid anyway, but since we're on the subject....
Herbert had 2 easy picks that the Chiefs dropped and he had a real, live pick 6. The whole “almost picked” thing is just plain dumb. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Detoxing:
For some reason that doesn't get talked about. Willie Gay had one hit him right in the hands and not a peep from the media about it. Hell, not even a peep from Chiefs fans really.
I'd have to look at the game again, but you can certainly make the case that Herbert had some potential INT's too.
Potential INT's is ****ing stupid anyway, but since we're on the subject....
Definitely remember the Gay one and I know there was another one. I will go back and watch the game and see. Media and others so desperately want to find someone other than Mahomes at the top they just white wash some of this.
Herbert is a very good QB but he hasn't won shit yet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
No reasonable person could watch that game last night and judge Herbert to be in the same league as Patrick Mahomes II. Herbert is a good quarterback, but Patrick Mahomes II reigns over the land.
There's "really damn good" and there's Patrick Mahomes. Fortunately for us...we have the latter [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Definitely remember the Gay one and I know there was another one. I will go back and watch the game and see. Media and others so desperately want to find someone other than Mahomes at the top they just white wash some of this.
Herbert is a very good QB but he hasn't won shit yet.
QB wins require defensive help. Mahomes’ college career is evidence of that. Tom Brady’s entire career has been riding the back of strong defense to win games. Patrick was lucky last night with a lot of bad throws. The Chiefs defense bailed him out, obviously the 99 yard Pick 6 being the best play of the game by a long shot.
Having said the above, Chargers have one of the very best defensive rosters in the league. Ton of talent on the defensive side of the ball. They have plenty of talent on offense as well. If they don’t make the playoffs this year, Herbert needs to take some of the blame. The coach will definitely get most of the blame and might even be fired in this scenario. [Reply]
Patrick Mahomes gets bailed out of four interceptions vs. Chargers
Doug Farrar
September 15, 2022 10:34 pm ET
When you look at interception totals for quarterbacks, they can be misleading in both directions. There are quarterbacks with great interception luck, and others who get no breaks at all.
Throughout most of his career, Patrick Mahomes has had exceptional interception luck. This was especially true in 2020.
Last season, Mahomes wasn’t quite as fortunate — per Football Outsiders, he had 10 dropped interceptions, and a drop in good fortune was one reason Mahomes wasn’t quite as efficient as he had been in previous years.
Against the Chargers on Thursday night, Mahomes’ interception luck didn’t just catch back up to him — it caught back up to him on two consecutive plays, and four plays overall.
Let’s start with the pick Mahomes threw with 13:38 left in the first half. It looked as if he threw a pick to safety Nasir Adderley, but cornerback Bryce Callahan was called for illegal contact, and the play was negated.
This was a bit of a specious call.
Then, with 9:52 left in the third quarter, Mahomes appeared to throw a deep pass to receiver Mecole Hardman that Hardman couldn’t hang onto, and the ball dropped into the hands of safety Derwin James on an acrobatic play. But offsetting penalties killed the play.
And then on the very next play, Mahomes threw a pick right to cornerback Asante Samuel Jr., but it was ruled that Samuel didn’t hold onto the ball.
And THEN, with 34 seconds left in the third quarter, Mahomes tried to hit tight end Jody Fortson in the end zone, and Samuel was all over it… until he just dropped the ball.
Has Samuel held onto the ball, it might have been a 99-yard pick-six…
…which is exactly what Justin Herbert of the Chargers threw to Chiefs rookie cornerback Jaylen Watson on the very next drive.
Mahomes is a great quarterback, but if you add this kind of luck to the equation… what’s that they say about how it’s better to be lucky than good? It’s certainly better to be both! On the three drives that contained all four of these non-picks, the Chiefs scored all 17 of their points so far, and Watson’s pick-six put them ahead in the game for the first time.
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
The media narrative is that mahomes is lucky getting lots of INTs reversed. Maddening. Take away his free play INTS which obviously don’t count… even if a reasonable amount of his “lucky” INT drops were caught, he’d still have a low INT rate
I will say that Mahomes threw 3 interceptable passes last night that he was fortunate didn't hurt us.
1) The one to MVS that was called back on illegal contact. That was a super ticky tack call and Mahomes definitely just dumped that one due to the pressure in his face.
2) Obviously the Samuel Jr drop. That was his worst throw of the night by far. I don't even think there was a Chief in the area.
3) The fade to Fortson. We had probably a 5-6" height advantage there. That pass needed to be where Fortson could get it or no one.
People are counting all three of those PLUS the offsides free play and blatant DPI on Hardman lol
I'll give them two of them, no more. He should have had 2 INTs last night.
But if we're doing that, then Herbert should have had 2 INTs as well, with another couple possibles. I remember one specifically that was tipped and Fenton had a pretty good shot at but couldn't bring in.
Originally Posted by srvy:
Puts this pass in perspective.
Places like "Barstool Sports" don't have the credibility to make incredulous claims. When they say something that's completely stupid, people draw the conclusion that the people running the site are completely stupid.
I mean, do they not watch the games at all? Or do they simply know nothing about football? [Reply]
