Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Regardless, turnovers in basketball just don't affect the outcome of a game the way turnovers in football do. I forget the actual percentage, but when an average NFL team turns the ball over 3 or more times, the percentage chance of winning drops to nearly zero. In basketball, teams regularly turn the ball over 5-10 times a night, and it doesn't have that much effect on whether the team wins or loses. Yes, it costs them points, but not necessarily Ws. In football, every turnover can have huge implications.
Case in point, didn't the Fever win anyway?
If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.
Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.
Is this a real comment? 4 or 5 turnovers in the nfl is half of the possessions. Are you saying that Caitlin clark turns over half of their possessions? The differential between them and other teams in points off of turnovers is like a few points. Which is a few possessions in a game with 75 possessions. It is something she needs to clean up but critics are acting like this erases everything she has accomplished. It is one blemish despite her being dominant on offense in every other way.
For every turnover there are 4 or 5 well executed and often aggressive passes. How many points has that aggression created versus those given away? It’s obviously going to be way more created for a player who is elite in both scoring and assists. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
If she's turning it over three or four times here and there that's one thing. But she averages eight a game and it's growing. She's already broken the turnover records and that too is growing. And yes they are winning now but my point is it will hurt her team in the playoffs like it hurt Iowa in both of the finals they lost.
Anyway on another note Angel Reese got 17 points and 19 rebounds today. Just incredible consistency.
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
it is getting better the 2nd half, but still not where it needs to be. Just like those that play with Mahomes, always be ready for the ball. Oh, and Caitlin would never shit on her teammates.
Yeah, didn’t mean to say she was. I think a lot of fans are doing it and by now people can appreciate that they’re not bringing Caitlin down as much anymore.. It downplays how far the team has come to adapting to her. They miss too many assisted layups but that’s just the wnba. At this point a lot more of the turnovers are on clark. She needs to clean that up but without a doubt the cost is well worth the benefit [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
And to those saying it's all about Clark and no-one else. Right now Mitchell has a better points per game average than Clark. So Mitchell deserves way more credit than she's getting.
She deserves credit. It’s a shame Caitlin’s critics are weaponizing her because they just won’t admit that clark is in fact a generational player. Yes because clark passes a ton where Kelsey is a shooting guard she has less points. Almost all of Clark’s points are self created where a lot of Kelsey’s are assisted, often by clark. Mitchell has been incredible but the narrative that this minimizes Clark’s achievements is like trying to delete Steph to prop up Klay. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.
She cannot catch the ball for her teammates.
Turnovers are over rated as **** too.
Clark averages 5.5 turnovers a game this season and has girls that can't catch passes.
LeBron James had two seasons in which he had over 4 turnovers per game.
Magic Johnson averaged 3.9 turnovers per game for his career.
Luka Doncic averages 4.0 turnovers per game for his career and has had as high as 4.5 turnovers per game in a season.
James Harden had a seasons of 5.7, 5.0, and 4.8 turnovers per game. The year he had 5.7 tpg is the year he was runner up for MVP.
These men would have much higher turnover rates playing in the WNBA.
The argument that her turnovers are some big huge negative is ****ing stupid when she can put up 23+ ppg, 10+ apg, and 5+ rpg a night. [Reply]
I'm not gonna make myself watch any of these games; but I can always count on some random white guy nerd to subject himself to that tape and do a breakdown that sums things up aptly:
Originally Posted by :
Of her 152 offensive boards so far this season, I counted 37 coming from her own missed attempts, and an additional 15 off her own attempts being blocked. So 52 total of the 152, or right around a third. That's undoubtedly a lot - her rebound numbers are being somewhat 'padded' by being right there to clean up her own mistakes
Originally Posted by :
The biggest issue with Reese's game is the number of these offensive rebound opportunities that she presents herself with. Shooting below 40% from the field is concerning if you're a small guard taking a lot of threes and creating a lot of those shots off the dribble from the perimeter. Reese has virtually no jump shot and takes 85% of her shots from inside eight feet. She has an unorthodox technique that launches the ball from far too low, which is part of why she comfortably leads the league in getting her shots blocked. Much as adding a jump shot to her game to increase her threat from outside the paint would be valuable, becoming significantly more efficient on those finishes around the rim should be the first order of business.
Originally Posted by Pablo:
I'm not gonna make myself watch any of these games; but I can always count on some random white guy nerd to subject himself to that tape and do a breakdown that sums things up aptly:
