Television shows often need more than 1 season to grow and development. Take a look at Breaking Bad - one of the greatest shows ever, but it took its time to really grip you and needed more than 1 season to do that. The same for The Clone Wars. Season 1 had a number of rough… pic.twitter.com/uCRWRiHknl
Television shows often need more than 1 season to grow and development. Take a look at Breaking Bad - one of the greatest shows ever, but it took its time to really grip you and needed more than 1 season to do that. The same for The Clone Wars. Season 1 had a number of rough… pic.twitter.com/uCRWRiHknl
I thought it was kind of boring, but I really can't understand the uproar over this. They wanted a matriarchal society as background for the twins, but spared us the subservient men. That is a good choice.
I think it was pretty forgettable and I can't remember any other places that might be considered shoving lesbian agenda down anyone's throat.
There are clearly story problems with what is basically just a cop drama, but if you want to tell that well the cops have to be good partners, or have conflict of their own that isn't a secret, or anything interesting. It was very much a gamble to save the conflict until the end and now that it is canceled, there won't ever be character development for them to build on.
It's a mess because it assumed a second season would happen I think, and instead of ensuring a great first season, they held back the good stuff.
I was interested in it because I really like Russian Doll, but everyone should make every season like it is the last from now on because it probably is. [Reply]
Originally Posted by underEJ:
I was interested in it because I really like Russian Doll, but everyone should make every season like it is the last from now on because it probably is.
You see, the difference between this and Russian Doll is that Russian Doll didn't suck ass.
I mean, the second season was pretty useless. By the first season at least was fantastic. And Nadia was essentially the same kind of character Natasha Lyonne always plays so I'm guessing she was the driver behind most of the creative decisions.
I feel like Leslye Headland probably just sucks at her job. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
You see, the difference between this and Russian Doll is that Russian Doll didn't suck ass.
I mean, the second season was pretty useless. By the first season at least was fantastic. And Nadia was essentially the same kind of character Natasha Lyonne always plays so I'm guessing she was the driver behind most of the creative decisions.
I feel like Leslye Headland probably just sucks at her job.
And that’s the issue.
There are actually a lot of elements that are really cool if you’re just outlining the events of season 1.
Coven of Force witches who created a vergence the Force and a pair of Force sensitive twins? That’s interesting.
Conflict between well-meaning Jedi and that Coven, driven by misunderstandings, Jedi arrogance? I mean, tragedy is one of the oldest art forms, people.
A failed Jedi who walked away and is just living normally until sucked back in by a mysterious murder trend of the Jedi who brought her into the Order after the tragedy? Cool.
A Sith apprentice in the Rule of Two trying to find his Acolyte and stumbling across one of those vergent twins? Yeah, that can rock. Especially if Darth Plagueis is his master and the whole connection to creating life with the Force is being shown and played out.
If you’re sitting down to mind map this story and those are your big events, there is just so goddamn much to work with.
But it didn’t come together. When you have cool general concepts and they’re just not well-executed, that’s on the director and the writing team (which really falls on the director because they’re the one that signs off on the writing). [Reply]
Originally Posted by underEJ:
I thought it was kind of boring, but I really can't understand the uproar over this. They wanted a matriarchal society as background for the twins, but spared us the subservient men. That is a good choice.
I think it was pretty forgettable and I can't remember any other places that might be considered shoving lesbian agenda down anyone's throat.
There are clearly story problems with what is basically just a cop drama, but if you want to tell that well the cops have to be good partners, or have conflict of their own that isn't a secret, or anything interesting. It was very much a gamble to save the conflict until the end and now that it is canceled, there won't ever be character development for them to build on.
It's a mess because it assumed a second season would happen I think, and instead of ensuring a great first season, they held back the good stuff.
I was interested in it because I really like Russian Doll, but everyone should make every season like it is the last from now on because it probably is.
I don't think they held back any good stuff. They just had no fucking clue what they were doing.
I also agree that the woke stuff is massively overblown, but it's because of how trash the show is. These idiots call everything woke now and since this show was just absolutely the worst thing ever, the wokers are getting extra loud about it to push their own agenda. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dlphg9:
I don't think they held back any good stuff. They just had no fucking clue what they were doing.
I also agree that the woke stuff is massively overblown, but it's because of how trash the show is. These idiots call everything woke now and since this show was just absolutely the worst thing ever, the wokers are getting extra loud about it to push their own agenda.
If the defenders of the show hadn't used every single Intersectionality Bingo Buzzword they could come up with prior to the show being released and then started squealing about the show struggling BECAUSE it was woke and it was the damn mouthbreathing fans that were to blame, you're absolutely right that the 'woke' tag wouldn't have hit it so hard.
It's CREATORS did that to it.
Substantively it's almost benign compared to some of the shit that Disney rolls out there, at least when it comes to being woke.
It was just trash. And as is often the case when these folks make a trash product that nobody likes, they start blaming close-minded fans and touting how diverse and inclusive their cast/story was and how that was just too much for people.
It's more of an excuse than a stigma at this point. It didn't suck because it was woke - it got called woke because it sucked. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If the defenders of the show hadn't used every single Intersectionality Bingo Buzzword they could come up with prior to the show being released and then started squealing about the show struggling BECAUSE it was woke and it was the damn mouthbreathing fans that were to blame, you're absolutely right that the 'woke' tag wouldn't have hit it so hard.
It's CREATORS did that to it.
Substantively it's almost benign compared to some of the shit that Disney rolls out there, at least when it comes to being woke.
It was just trash. And as is often the case when these folks make a trash product that nobody likes, they start blaming close-minded fans and touting how diverse and inclusive their cast/story was and how that was just too much for people.
It's more of an excuse than a stigma at this point. It didn't suck because it was woke - it got called woke because it sucked.
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
If the defenders of the show hadn't used every single Intersectionality Bingo Buzzword they could come up with prior to the show being released and then started squealing about the show struggling BECAUSE it was woke and it was the damn mouthbreathing fans that were to blame, you're absolutely right that the 'woke' tag wouldn't have hit it so hard.
It's CREATORS did that to it.
Substantively it's almost benign compared to some of the shit that Disney rolls out there, at least when it comes to being woke.
It was just trash. And as is often the case when these folks make a trash product that nobody likes, they start blaming close-minded fans and touting how diverse and inclusive their cast/story was and how that was just too much for people.
It's more of an excuse than a stigma at this point. It didn't suck because it was woke - it got called woke because it sucked.
It felt that checking certain boxes was more important than putting out a good story. Had the story come first far fewer people would have had issues with the “box checking”. It’s a thing that Disney at least seems to be doing too much of these days and that is pushing a message instead of pushing out quality products. [Reply]
