Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.
yes, Mahomes had turnovers last year and a pick 6 on passes that should have been caught... Caitlin's teammates were horrible early in the year and have been slightly better lately realizing they need to be aware they may receive the ball.... [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
So you'd accept Mahomes throwing four or five picks a game? Because that's the equivalent of what Clark is doing and that's why she lost back to back finals. It's fine putting up good offensive stats in the regular season but those turnovers become crucial when the bright lights shine in the playoffs and she needs to fix it because giving up the ball to the top teams will have you down big fast.
You do understand the difference between a turnover in a football game versus a basketball game that has many many many possessions right? [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
You do understand the difference between a turnover in a football game versus a basketball game that has many many many possessions right?
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
and as I just said, many of those passes should have been caught and counted as an assist with an easy layup...
To some extent but I think it’s overplayed in the second half of the season. I agree with you except when it’s used as an excuse to shit on her teammates. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
You do understand the difference between a turnover in a football game versus a basketball game that has many many many possessions right?
That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies. [Reply]
And to those saying it's all about Clark and no-one else. Right now Mitchell has a better points per game average than Clark. So Mitchell deserves way more credit than she's getting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.
I’m sure they’d rather have 2 less turnovers per game and win about 5 games this year rather than being playoff bound. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
That's why I said four or five picks. Clark is averaging seven to eight turnovers a game. It's historically bad but people want to make excuses for it which is weird to me. Folks are happy to praise the good parts but want to ignore the glaring deficiencies.
Uh, no. Turnovers in basketball aren't nearly as influential as T/Os in football. 7-8 turnovers in girls basketball is probably worth no more than 1-2 turnovers in football at most. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Uh, no. Turnovers in basketball aren't nearly as influential as T/Os in football. 7-8 turnovers in girls basketball is probably worth no more than 1-2 turnovers in football at most.
Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend.
and 5 of those should have been layups if her teammates caught the ball. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
To some extent but I think it’s overplayed in the second half of the season. I agree with you except when it’s used as an excuse to shit on her teammates.
it is getting better the 2nd half, but still not where it needs to be. Just like those that play with Mahomes, always be ready for the ball. Oh, and Caitlin would never shit on her teammates. [Reply]
Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger:
Most of her turnovers are costing her team points. And right now she's getting away with it. But like I keep saying they come home to roost in the playoffs. In the two finals she lost she had a combined TEN turnovers. The facts are the facts my friend.
Regardless, turnovers in basketball just don't affect the outcome of a game the way turnovers in football do. I forget the actual percentage, but when an average NFL team turns the ball over 3 or more times, the percentage chance of winning drops to nearly zero. In basketball, teams regularly turn the ball over 5-10 times a night, and it doesn't have that much effect on whether the team wins or loses. Yes, it costs them points, but not necessarily Ws. In football, every turnover can have huge implications.
Case in point, didn't the Fever win anyway? [Reply]
