Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
It's nice to have options. If one configuration doesn't work, they can change it up during the game. Before Humphries, they were limited in depth because Morris/Kingsley are both JAGs at LT. We have the personnel as long as they stay healthy. I'm not too worried about the O-line seeing how they didn't struggle against Houston in the first meeting. I'd be more concerned if they faced Denver's pass rush.
Think that's the best way to think about it. If they start Thuney and Caliendo is abused, we can switch it up, and ditto the other way. Far better position than pre-DJ [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Random thought...
What if the best offensive line configuration against the Texans - who have a great set of DEs but are just OK in the middle - is Thuney-Caliendo. But against the Ravens, Bills, Eagles... teams with a good internal pass rusher... does it make more sense to move Thuney back in and roll with a LT who is better at LT than Caliendo is at LG, even if a little step back at LT comes with that?
You can make the case...
I had thought about this. Both the bills and the ravens are more dangerous to us from the interior. I also wondered if there’s a chance Kingsley was a better option a guard than caliendo but I doubt he’s got the strength. I did like what I saw on the broadcast though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I'm not even sure it's how people view risk and reward, it's just what have people seen and how they have evaluated that. If you've watched DJ and thought "yeah, he's just a bit rusty, he's close" then he makes sense. If you watched him and thought "He looks worse than Thuney" you go with Thuney, surely
Here's the only question that matters for this decision that the coaches already have made:
Can we execute the same offensive output as we showed vs. HOU and PIT if Humphries plays exactly as we've seen so far? Or in other words, how much credit is the staff giving Thuney for that?
Cause I wouldn't plan for Hump to be a lot better than whatever they graded him out vs. Denver. So based on that performance as the expectation, can you still get the same production as what we've done with Joe. [Reply]
I found this interesting little nugget in Arrowhead Addict.
Regardless of the game planning, the numbers for Thuney are still average at best. He's yielded 14 pressures in his 3 starts and is averaging 58.4 PFF pass-blocking grade. Looking at the tape, you can see Thuney brings a high floor to the tackle position, but he plays tackle like a guard. The lack of length can show from time to time. He's also a fluid mover in space, especially for a guard, but he still is vulnerable up the arc.
The biggest problem with Thuney at tackle is what you lose at left guard. Mike Caliendo is averaging a 28.1 PFF pass block grade in his 3 starts credited with 7 pressures. He's also a big step back as a run blocker, something the Chiefs offense has struggled with in the last quarter of the season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Here's the only question that matters for this decision that the coaches already have made:
Can we execute the same offensive output as we showed vs. HOU and PIT if Humphries plays exactly as we've seen so far? Or in other words, how much credit is the staff giving Thuney for that?
Cause I wouldn't plan for Hump to be a lot better than whatever they graded him out vs. Denver. So based on that performance as the expectation, can you still get the same production as what we've done with Joe.
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Here's the only question that matters for this decision that the coaches already have made:
Can we execute the same offensive output as we showed vs. HOU and PIT if Humphries plays exactly as we've seen so far? Or in other words, how much credit is the staff giving Thuney for that?
Cause I wouldn't plan for Hump to be a lot better than whatever they graded him out vs. Denver. So based on that performance as the expectation, can you still get the same production as what we've done with Joe.
I don't think its fair to make the comparison because the situations each player was put in were completely different. Thuney was playing with all of the starters and benefited from playing in games that Andy knew they had to win. That's not even mentioning the biggest advantage which was Patrick Mahomes getting rid of the ball faster than he ever has. Thuney didn't look good against Cleveland when Mahomes wasn't getting rid of the ball as fast as he ever has.
There is no way Andy doesn't realize all of this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jjchieffan:
I found this interesting little nugget in Arrowhead Addict.
Regardless of the game planning, the numbers for Thuney are still average at best. He's yielded 14 pressures in his 3 starts and is averaging 58.4 PFF pass-blocking grade. Looking at the tape, you can see Thuney brings a high floor to the tackle position, but he plays tackle like a guard. The lack of length can show from time to time. He's also a fluid mover in space, especially for a guard, but he still is vulnerable up the arc.
The biggest problem with Thuney at tackle is what you lose at left guard. Mike Caliendo is averaging a 28.1 PFF pass block grade in his 3 starts credited with 7 pressures. He's also a big step back as a run blocker, something the Chiefs offense has struggled with in the last quarter of the season.
The rushed for an average of 108 yards per game the 3 games with Caliendo at guard. And the previous 7 games we rushed for an average of 95 yards a game. Those 7 games only had two games above 100 yards, and an outlier type of game with 165 yards. It’s not appearing like Caleindo caused our rushing game to take a giant step back. [Reply]
Originally Posted by JPH83:
Seems quite a few are worried about Caliendo or the prospect of not playing DJ. Which, again, i don't really get given we actually won with Thuney
Originally Posted by JPH83:
I'm not even sure it's how people view risk and reward, it's just what have people seen and how they have evaluated that. If you've watched DJ and thought "yeah, he's just a bit rusty, he's close" then he makes sense. If you watched him and thought "He looks worse than Thuney" you go with Thuney, surely
For me, it's that I saw a neutered offense starting a guy at LT while he wasn't a disaster, he wasn't good either. I watch all the games more than once and watch All 22. People thinking Thuney was good are working off the idea he's better than Wanya and Kingsley who are straight bad.
Originally Posted by jjchieffan:
I found this interesting little nugget in Arrowhead Addict.
Regardless of the game planning, the numbers for Thuney are still average at best. He's yielded 14 pressures in his 3 starts and is averaging 58.4 PFF pass-blocking grade. Looking at the tape, you can see Thuney brings a high floor to the tackle position, but he plays tackle like a guard. The lack of length can show from time to time. He's also a fluid mover in space, especially for a guard, but he still is vulnerable up the arc.
The biggest problem with Thuney at tackle is what you lose at left guard. Mike Caliendo is averaging a 28.1 PFF pass block grade in his 3 starts credited with 7 pressures. He's also a big step back as a run blocker, something the Chiefs offense has struggled with in the last quarter of the season.
Guard is easier to replace. They could slot Morris or Kingsley at guard short-term if need arose. Not ideal, but it's better than playing those guys at LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2:
What makes the 2024 version of Humphries better than a healthy Wanya Morris at LT?
What was Humphries stats against SD before he got hurt?
I'd argue he's got better lateral movement and hands than Wanya has had at any point in his life. Now the question for me is the anchor. Does he trust his knee enough to set and recover? Wanya had one pass set and once DEs figured that out it was game over. "It's the same fucking move"-Patrick Mahomes. [Reply]