Originally Posted by DaFace:
My concern is that they're going to look back at the tape and see how vulnerable Caliendo was and just focus on him all game. And if they have Al Shaair in the backfield, it'll make it a little tougher to get the ball out quick.
For as much as people claim that guards aren't important in pass protection, 1) Houston was abusing the Chargers' guards all game last week, and 2) do people not realize that Chris Jones has earned a gold jacket largely by picking on weak guards (and centers)?
I can hear that. But then the counter would be the same as what if Humphries gets destroyed by Anderson Jr.?
You can always yank Caliendo or Humphries if you have to.
Keysor says Caliendo was horrible against Pittsburgh. Hope he's right because if so, it means it didn't matter whatsoever. That was our best offensive game all year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
I can hear that. But then the counter would be the same as what if Humphries gets destroyed by Anderson Jr.?
You can always yank Caliendo or Humphries if you have to.
Keysor says Caliendo was horrible against Pittsburgh. Hope he's right because if so, it means it didn't matter whatsoever. That was our best offensive game all year.
They changed the offense to accommodate Thuney and Caliendo. Is that sustainable against Buffalo or Baltimore? The more variable the offense can be, the better.
I mean what if Humphries DOESNT get destroyed? What if he's better than Thuney and we can run the full offense?
It's all risk vs. reward. Some of us value the reward more than we fear the risk. Some of us don't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
They changed the offense to accommodate Thuney and Caliendo. Is that sustainable against Buffalo or Baltimore? The more variable the offense can be, the better.
I mean what if Humphries DOESNT get destroyed? What if he's better than Thuney and we can run the full offense?
It's all risk vs. reward. Some of us value the reward more than we fear the risk. Some of us don't.
That's all true. If I had to bet though, that offensive change which was forced by the OL shuffle + Mahomes' injury is exactly what they need to continue doing.
Are they as equipped to come back from major deficits as they were in prior seasons with this approach? No, but I think they can play to their defense in a way they also couldn't back then either.
Against Buffalo or Baltimore, we need to sustain drives, we have to frustrate their pass rush as Mahomes gets the ball out of his hands quickly and tires them out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
That's all true. If I had to bet though, that offensive change which was forced by the OL shuffle + Mahomes' injury is exactly what they need to continue doing.
Are they as equipped to come back from major deficits as they were in prior seasons with this approach? No, but I think they can play to their defense in a way they also couldn't back then either.
Against Buffalo or Baltimore, we need to sustain drives, we have to frustrate their pass rush as Mahomes gets the ball out of his hands quickly and tires them out.
You can't just spam that stuff for an entire game though. You need to be able to throw a wrinkle in here or there.
I don't think the quick passing game will work against Buffalo or Baltimore like it did against the Texans or Pittsburgh. [Reply]
Mahomes said at his presser yesterday, 'I've gotta get the ball out of my hands and into these playmakers' hands' ....
Could tell it's something he's really conscious of and I think it will continue to work in our favor now that we have all the main threats available. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
You can't just spam that stuff for an entire game though. You need to be able to throw a wrinkle in here or there.
I don't think the quick passing game will work against Buffalo or Baltimore like it did against the Texans or Pittsburgh.
Not all quick passes, but like the TD throw to Watson in PIT. That was a fucking seed that no pass rusher was going to get to 15 in time to prevent.
Those are the throws he can and will make that are different than what we were seeing before Houston. There were a lot of quick throws sure but I also believe Mahomes was just being more intentional about making the intermediate throws quickly as well. Every Hollywood target so far has kinda been that way. Lot of 10-20 yard route patterns with the ball out fast. [Reply]
If they have a LT that can play, they're gonna play the LT at......LT. They don't want to move their all pro HOF LG to LT if they don't have to. [Reply]
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19:
Not all quick passes, but like the TD throw to Watson in PIT. That was a fucking seed that no pass rusher was going to get to 15 in time to prevent.
Those are the throws he can and will make that are different than what we were seeing before Houston. There were a lot of quick throws sure but I also believe Mahomes was just being more intentional about making the intermediate throws quickly as well. Every Hollywood target so far has kinda been that way. Lot of 10-20 yard route patterns with the ball out fast.
The Bills and Ravens generate pressure far differently than the Texans or Steelers. Sure, quick passing has it's benefits. But it can't be the only thing you're capable of. [Reply]
Originally Posted by New World Order:
Why? We’ve trotted out piles of shit at guard before and been fine.
My concern is that, as bad as Mahomes has sometimes looked with inadequate tackle play, we have seen time and again over his career that his real kryptonite is pressure up the middle. If it's instant, it's over. Not necessarily true if the tackle loses quickly.
My hope is that Humphries can be the answer and we play our best linemen in the interior. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz:
Its interesting. I wouldn't have expected people to get entrenched in this sort of argument, it must hit at a core fundamental level of your brain whether you value risk mitigation vs higher potential.
Its pretty simple. If Im a 6 or 7 seed I absolutely want Humphries in there.
But if you are the two time defending champion who went 15-1 and looked the best they have all season with Thuney in...you roll with the guys who brought you there and what you know works. [Reply]
Lucky for us our receivers are significantly better this year and it’s going to help Mahomes/Kelce so much.
Last year it was basically Kelce/Rice. This year it’s Kelce/Hopkins/Worthy/Hollywood.
Texans have a really good set of corners in Stingley/Lassiter. I think you’re gonna see Andy exploit the LB’s through manipulation like last time as well as destroy their CB3. [Reply]
Put the best players on the field. If that's DJ, great. If it's Thuney, great.
The real meat of the argument here is emotional. Lots of people are scared of starting DJ. What if he whiffs? What if Pat gets hurt? It's the same crap we've heard all year.
No offense, but I think that could be projection. I'm easy on who they play. I think, from what we've seen, Thuney makes more sense at this point, and I think that's who they'll go with.
Could just as easily say people calling for DJ are scared about Caliendo at guard. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Its pretty simple. If Im a 6 or 7 seed I absolutely want Humphries in there.
But if you are the two time defending champion who went 15-1 and looked the best they have all season with Thuney in...you roll with the guys who brought you there and what you know works.
That's dumb as fuck. Seeding shouldn't matter you make the best choice no matter what. Guys jobs are on the line. You think last year Reid said well we didn't get a bye. Let's just do whatever the fuck we want? Hell no.
Anyway I'm on the humphries side and have been. But none of it really matters if we keep getting the ball out like we have the last 2 games with starters. It negates so much pressure. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
It was actually a split between Mahomes and Worthy.
2 games with over 100 yards rushing with Thuney and Caliendo - (3 game span)
Cleveland - Worthy had 30 yards on sweeps Mahomes had 14 on scrambles. 44 of 132 yards not by running backs.
Houston -Mohomes had 33 yards, (2nd most rushing yards on team) Worthy had 10.
Once again 44 yards out of 124 not by running backs.
Steelers - 69 total rushing yards as a team with Pat and Worthy accounting for 22 of them.
So the idea we run the ball just fine with Thuney/Caliendo is absolutely misleading.
So what’s the story on the 7 games prior to those 3 games. Thuney at guard. We rushed for 82, 124, 57, 78, 165, 63, and 96 yards. Surely Mahomes and a Wr had some of those yards as well? [Reply]