Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
The reality is that everyone simply cannot handle the fact that Mahomes is Him and that's been obvious for a while now.
Now, they're doing mental gymnastics from saying this generation is a golden era of elite QB play to Mahomes is playing against mediocre talent in comparison to other epochs of time in the NFL. [Reply]
And as some noted at the time, MASSIVE credit to Kareem Hunt for playing through the whistle there.
Some guys just get it. Some receivers mesh really well with Mahomes because the play is never dead and they're just constantly working through the play because he'll make something crazy happen.
This is an extension of that. Did Hunt shove that dude thinking he'd clear him OOB and open a lane for Mahomes to cut back inside? Hell, I don't know, but I kinda doubt it. Nobody expects that sort of thing. But that was the angle he had to throw any sort of legal block so he threw it. Mahomes and his vision did the rest.
I say this to the kids I coach in both baseball and football - there's ALWAYS someplace to be on a play. There's ALWAYS something to do. And if you're spectating, you're doing it wrong. I don't know that Hunt had any grand design there, but he was looking for work ("head on a swivel!") and the work he found was just shoving the dude in front of him as hard as he could.
He played to the whistle and it made a massive play for his QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bump:
I don't think that was Pat's intent. Those defenders know if they tackled him if he decided to go out of bounds instead they are getting a big flag.
I think once the QB starts to run then they shouldn't be treated any differently than any other ball carrier. But ya after watching it more closely it was the momentum so oops
It's never ever been an issue before. He constantly gets hit on the sidelines and there have been several times that a penalty should have been called but never was. He just made them look like idiots. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Dude Pat's "intent" was to stop and cut allowing the defender's momentum to take him out of bounds.
This had absolutely nothing to do with the rules.
I think his intent was to go OOB until he saw the impact of Hunt's block. Once he saw that, he pivoted and cut inside. That's RB sort of vision put to its best use.
What I will say is that when I saw that play, it reminded me a very small bit of one of the 49ers QBs against us years ago. Was it Grapes? He had a run down the sideline, looked like he was headed OOB, changed his mind because a seam opened up and planted that left leg to cut inside....
....and it went 'splodey.
Kelce learned the hard way last season that his body won't respond to late/quick movements like it used to. So he just stopped doing it for the most part. He had a half dozen plays where he bulldozed guys last year that he would've cut around in years past.
Toney's gonna have to learn someday that his body will NEVER stand up to that.
Right now PMs will. I hope he learns the lesson cheaply when it no longer will. Because time comes for us all... [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
It’s like DJ said guys. We wear the black hat now.
We have truly made it to the top. We’ve gotten to the level the Patriots were at for so many years.
Sit down, light a cigar and enjoy it. Breathe the fresh air fellas. It’s beautiful
Helps explain Brady’s commentary on Sunday. He knows what it’s like to have everyone in football rooting against you other than your local fanbase. He knows how hard it is to go through the grind of 6 straight conference title games, trying to win 2 rings in a row, 3 rings in a row, etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I’ve seen people arguing that Mustapha let up on the rushing TD to avoid a penalty.
There is no end to the delusion.
He did let up. But it was a concession more than an attempt to avoid a penalty.
He he NOT let up and lowered the boom, I wouldn't have been upset with that either. It was a close enough question on a 4th down in a key moment of the ballgame. Had he gone 100 mph and knocked PM into next week (like he did with Hunt in the 1st quarter) I wouldn't have been mad at him.
It's his job. Finish the play.
But he didn't.
If the 'soft ass rules' had anything to do with that, it's because they've taken that sort of lunatic killer mentality out of defensive players. 15-20 years ago, every single defensive player in the league cleans his clock there because that's just how you were taught.
Now? Eh. Not really. Speed, technique, savvy - those are what defenses focus on. Emotion and fury? Eh, it's different.
Did the rules impact Mustafa on this specific play in that they encouraged him to avoid a flag? No. Because who cares? It's an unnecessary roughness that would've made the touchback that much easier. It's a nothing penalty. But did the rules create a mentality shift among NFL defenders where that sort of play isn't finished the way it used to be? Yeah, I can buy that.
And hell, maybe that's a good thing. If Mustafa concusses Mahomes, that ain't great for the league. But if some 4th round rookie safety goes viral for a week or so and then the world moves on because he DIDN'T kill the baddest MFer on the planet - well that's probably a net gain for everyone really. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bump:
I'm all for abusing reeruned rules to his advantage and I don't even think that was Pat's intention on that play.
But you want to make dumb ****ing rules, go ahead and abuse them. Yes the defensive players were probably too afraid of getting a penalty if they hit him and that's because of the reeruned ass rules they implemented.
Terrible idea. This is what happens to QB's that abuse the running-out-of-bounds rules (watch closely):
RGIII had gone around bragging to the media that he was specifically trying to get 15 yard penalties while he's running out of bounds. Wound up getting massively concussed and then had his knee cap discombobulated. By his second year he was a shadow of himself
Pat isn't a stick like RGIII so he might absorb some of these dirty hits. But it looked like SF was starting to target him ala RGIII here. This is where the GM needs to step up and sign some ****ing receivers because things can get ugly. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Man, I really need a Chiefs Derangement Syndrome meme so I can tell all my IRL friends on social media to **** off in one fell swoop.
It’s fear and jealousy. This ultimately reminds me of the classic scene from Breaking Bad.
Everyone knows who we are and that we are great. Everyone.
“Say our name”. Say who we are and put that D for dynasty at the beginning.
Originally Posted by wazu:
There's nothing more maddening than having to defend against something this stupid.
Eh, I just don't bother. I think many of the rules about RTP/unnecessary roughness are stupid as hell, but they are what they are. People want to complain because QBs are taking advantage, take it up with the competition committee or whatever. The game is trending softer, and there's no going back now.
Some people love it because it means scrambling, athletic, smaller QBs are protected like they never were before, and those guys will be able to stay healthy for a few more years than they could have in the past. Which is good for general viewership. And at the end of the day, the NFL is all about the $$$. [Reply]
