A lot of times, including the last play of the game, they had 2 DL on one side of the OL crash hard and bull rush the G and T. They see Mahomes flushing out constantly. They crash the OL and flush Mahomes out the way they want and have a LB spy fly to that zone they force Mahomes to go to so he’s got instant pressure in his face.
This also cuts off half of the field. Chargers did this in week 2 and Mahomes struggled badly against it. Bills copied that from Harbaugh and I expect other teams to do the same. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
This place is fucking unbearable :-)
He's always been like this. It's kind of smart really because in the playoffs he plays differently and takes any hit coming his way. But he does play soft in the regular season. As he should because he knows his value. [Reply]
We're also hitting a bit of a point where the conversation has to be had of how good of a line does this man need? Like some people think we need 5 all pros up there.
I do think the desire to get everyone into the route when you don't have a high end pass blocking LT is a scheme issue. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
We're also hitting a bit of a point where the conversation has to be had of how good of a line does this man need? Like some people think we need 5 all pros up there.
I do think the desire to get everyone into the route when you don't have a high end pass blocking LT is a scheme issue.
IOL has struggled massively the last 3 games. Vea was getting in Mahomes face continuously, Zach Allen was too and so was Ed Oliver.
The LT problem is bad but the IOL problem is more concerning bc of the talent we have there underperforming [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Because they are stubborn and want to run their offense...
I honestly think if they would come out and show a bunch of base under center stuff, run the ball, do screens, 3 step drops, slants etc it would make defenses play us a alot differently.
They can still run their offense just do it under center more. Teams have to respect Kareem now even though he is not explosive he is still very productive so lean on that and do more PA. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC: Some of those are on the OL. Ed Oliver beat the shit out of Trey Smith all night long.
That pass to Hendershot was 5 OL and a RB vs 4 rushers. You can’t lose that badly in those situations.
It’s been a problem all year. Look at the last 3 weeks. Interior pressure has been happening at a high rate as well and that didn’t happen last year.
IMMEDIATELY the first thing I noticed.
Sweet jesus, Trey Smith got WORKED. I mean just mauled. You don't see Chris Jones routinely handle a guy as frequently as Oliver kicked the shit out of Smith.
But yeah, lets keep blaming the OTs and Matt Nagy when the guy we have folks saying we should sign at a 'discount' of only $18 million in AAV is getting treated like a street free agent.
Originally Posted by RunKC:
IOL has struggled massively the last 3 games. Vea was getting in Mahomes face continuously, Zach Allen was too and so was Ed Oliver.
The LT problem is bad but the IOL problem is more concerning bc of the talent we have there underperforming
The entire O-line has regressed. Even the run blocking is not as good as it was last year. Thuney will be 33 next year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
IMMEDIATELY the first thing I noticed.
Sweet jesus, Trey Smith got WORKED. I mean just mauled. You don't see Chris Jones routinely handle a guy as frequently as Oliver kicked the shit out of Smith.
But yeah, lets keep blaming the OTs and Matt Nagy when the guy we have folks saying we should sign at a 'discount' of only $18 million in AAV is getting treated like a street free agent.
Man - that's just gross.
It's weird to see a dude regress in his contract year. [Reply]
Again, why do folks treat these issues as mutually exclusive things? They're all pretty glaring issues currently. Trey Smith isn't regressing either, he's been good for a really bad game or two dating back to his rookie season. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
IOL has struggled massively the last 3 games. Vea was getting in Mahomes face continuously, Zach Allen was too and so was Ed Oliver.
The LT problem is bad but the IOL problem is more concerning bc of the talent we have there underperforming
Which is disappointing considering their contracts (or expected contract in Smith's case) and being among the league's top players at their position. Of course, the O-line is a unit, so if one or two pieces struggle it can affect the top players also. But there's enough talent and salary where they should figure it out. We have all-pros at several positions on that line. [Reply]
Yeah, I’m mostly seeing our offensive line getting manhandled.
It does appear that they’re doing that hemmed in, mush rush a bit like we try to do against Lamar Jackson, but it’s only so effective against us because the OL is playing like ass.
They simply need to do better across the board and Mahomes needs to focus on getting the ball out quickly and decisively. They will help each other out. [Reply]
