Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible?? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
Never even thought about how private corporations being involved could be part of the problem. Go figure, everything comes down to the almighty dollar and power as usual. Hopefully, we are seeing that come to an end if it is indeed the issue.
The idea is that the government began privatizing the reverse engineering project to better hide the technology, as citizens don't get public access to private company technologies.
Makes it much easier to hide it.
It's alleged that some of this missing military defense money is being used to fund these "black projects". [Reply]
Originally Posted by SithCeNtZ:
You already saw what happened in his first term with things like this. He promised up and down that everything was going to declassified with JFK and we would all know everything. Not surprisingly, he didn't do it. There's no reason to think this is going to be any different, and look! He promised again about those JFK files and it will be different this time because reasons. Don't hold your breath.
Yeah actually I believe it was on the Joe Rogan podcast Joe asked him about Aliens and I believe he said 1. He didn’t care that much about it and that 2. He was told not to worry about it or something along those lines, so he ended up not looking at the evidence. Something alone those lines [Reply]
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Sooooooo what exactly is going on? I don’t see a UFO thread and it seems congress is currently and has been having sessions with “whistleblowers” about UFO’s. What these guys are saying is essentially telling us we are 100% not alone and our private contractors have all the information and evidence to prove this. With that said, are these guys credible??
The government achieved their goal of debunking UFO evidence to the point of the public now simply automatically disbelieves any UFO evidence decades ago
It's simple: decades ago, the government began their propaganda campaign of debunking any and all UFO evidence, and it worked. The general public now simply goes along with that systemic disbelief out of habit. So, now that the government is essentially admitting that there are things out there in our airspace that they can't explain, things that actually exist, that aren't swamp gas or odd cloud formations or whatever, the public just waves all of it off as crazy talk, because that's what they've been trained to do.
And tbf, it's a pretty scary thing to finally admit to oneself that aliens exist and that they're not only visiting our planet, but that they can do anything the heck they want, and we can't do anything about it. Based on the technology we've witnessed, we can't harm them or even slow them down, so if they wanted to, they could erase every single one of us the way we would exterminate ants in our backyard. It's a frightening thought.
So it's not surprising at al that 99.99%+ of people just won't allow themselves to even consider the idea of UFOs being real. In fact, it's completely normal human behavior.
I still remember the story of the botanist J.Banks, who wrote an account of his travels with Capt. Cook aboard the HMS Endeavor, in which he recounted the fact that when the ship arrived in Botany Bay, AUS and the natives couldn't even see the ship. A 100+ ft long ship with sails/masts dozens of feet tall was so far outside their understanding that they simply didn't see it.
When I finally realized that UFOs were in fact real, and that they couldn't possibly be the product of human technology, I admit I had a few hours of real fear. It was as seminal a moment in my life as any occurrence in my life. Maybe more than any other. And I always hoped that aliens/UFOs were real. I can imagine that for a non-believer, the shattering of life-long beliefs would be much more devastating. [Reply]
We're simply never going to get full disclosure, just enticing little dribs and drabs of truth... there are levels of top secret above even the president
But I do often fantasize about some future president touching down at Area 51, Dugway or Dulce with a huge contingent of Delta/Seals and demanding to see everything thats going on [Reply]
Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief:
He’s got a different team around him this time and control of both the house and senate, so there will be much less resistance.
But… yeah I’m not holding breath, especially on the JFK thing. This topic, though, I could see coming out because they can potentially use it to their advantage. Imagine if they revealed this shit was truly real. You’d have our population willing to do just about whatever you say if you proclaim this is an actual threat.
I think a lot of people won't care about the alien stuff unless one of them shows up in their front yard. 99% of the folks out there are just trying to get through daily life without thinking too much about this topic. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
I think a lot of people won't care about the alien stuff unless one of them shows up in their front yard. 99% of the folks out there are just trying to get through daily life without thinking too much about this topic.
Thats a fact
Most people who haven't had a personal experience, simply have too many other things to worry about to bother trying to wrap their heads around this subject [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
We're simply never going to get full disclosure, just enticing little dribs and drabs of truth... there are levels of top secret above even the president
But I do often fantasize about some future president touching down at Area 51, Dugway or Dulce with a huge contingent of Delta/Seals and demanding to see everything thats going on
This is kind of what I'm talking about. The US government has essentially admitted to the general public that they don't know what these UFOs are. But that they do know that they aren't ours. That they do know that they don't belong to any of our adversaries (Russia/ China/NKorea/etc.). But that they do exist. They aren't figments of anyone's imagination. They aren't swamp gas or ball lightning or lenticular clouds. They have radar plus infrared plus electro-optical confirmations of hundreds of UAPs/UFOs whatever you like to call them.
They are real. And they are capable of maneuvers that no human-manufactured vehicle can duplicate. And we don't have a clue where they come from. That is exactly what the government is saying.
But the first reaction from most people is exactly what you posted. "we don't have enough information. They're still hiding too much stuff from us so we can't make a decision about whether these things are real."
They just told us that they're real, gave us evidence gathered by state-of-the-art surveillance/sensor equipment aboard our most advanced military platforms, and they don't know who made them, but they know that they weren't made by human beings. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
This is kind of what I'm talking about. The US government has essentially admitted to the general public that they don't know what these UFOs are. But that they do know that they aren't ours. That they do know that they don't belong to any of our adversaries (Russia/ China/NKorea/etc.). But that they do exist. They aren't figments of anyone's imagination. They aren't swamp gas or ball lightning or lenticular clouds. They have radar plus infrared plus electro-optical confirmations of hundreds of UAPs/UFOs whatever you like to call them.
They are real. And they are capable of maneuvers that no human-manufactured vehicle can duplicate. And we don't have a clue where they come from. That is exactly what the government is saying.
But the first reaction from most people is exactly what you posted. "we don't have enough information. They're still hiding too much stuff from us so we can't make a decision about whether these things are real."
They just told us that they're real, gave us evidence gathered by state-of-the-art surveillance/sensor equipment aboard our most advanced military platforms, and they don't know who made them, but they know that they weren't made by human beings.
NUH UH/Fish, probably
I've repeatedly laid out in detail many of my experiences here over the years, so I'm kinda over droning on about it... most people minds are made up about it, so its just a waste of mental energy
But yeah, if most people could have their own experience it'd change the general perception dramatically [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
This is kind of what I'm talking about. The US government has essentially admitted to the general public that they don't know what these UFOs are. But that they do know that they aren't ours. That they do know that they don't belong to any of our adversaries (Russia/ China/NKorea/etc.). But that they do exist. They aren't figments of anyone's imagination. They aren't swamp gas or ball lightning or lenticular clouds. They have radar plus infrared plus electro-optical confirmations of hundreds of UAPs/UFOs whatever you like to call them.
They are real. And they are capable of maneuvers that no human-manufactured vehicle can duplicate. And we don't have a clue where they come from. That is exactly what the government is saying.
But the first reaction from most people is exactly what you posted. "we don't have enough information. They're still hiding too much stuff from us so we can't make a decision about whether these things are real."
They just told us that they're real, gave us evidence gathered by state-of-the-art surveillance/sensor equipment aboard our most advanced military platforms, and they don't know who made them, but they know that they weren't made by human beings.
Do you remember the anti-gravity patent that the Navy acquired about 6-7 years ago? We had scientists in the 1950's that had some pretty legit experiments on anti-gravity technology. I think a lot of the UFO's are secret human technology that we have developed over time. Now it's very possible we developed this technology by reverse-engineering alien stuff in the first place.
Also think it would be pretty interesting if some of the UFO's are future humans time traveling back a million years or something to look at us, like historical tourists. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DRM08:
Do you remember the anti-gravity patent that the Navy acquired about 6-7 years ago? We had scientists in the 1950's that had some pretty legit experiments on anti-gravity technology. I think a lot of the UFO's are secret human technology that we have developed over time. Now it's very possible we developed this technology by reverse-engineering alien stuff in the first place.
Also think it would be pretty interesting if some of the UFO's are future humans time traveling back a million years or something to look at us, like historical tourists.
I don't have any idea where they come from, whether they might come from another solar system within our galaxy, another galaxy, another time or another dimension/universe. Any of those ideas might be possible, though from another galaxy almost seems the most far-fetched, just due to the inconceivable distances involved.
As for the idea that we developed the kinds of propulsion tech that these things seem to have, I just don't believe it. If we had anything like that, it'd be incorporated into our front-line aircraft/ships/etc. And if they were supposed to be top-secret, then for damned sure we wouldn't see them buzzing our own carrier task forces, that are replete with the highest levels of sensor tech on the planet.
We wouldn't have them buzzing russian military assets/platforms/bases either so they could get a better look at them with their surveillance gear. We wouldn't be dragging spy planes out of mothballs like the U-2/SR-71 just to take a few pics of whatever in NK or Russia or China either. We'd use our nifty anti-grav stealth craft/drones to do those jobs and none would ever be the wiser, right?
And many of these things are behaving in nonsensical ways. Hovering for hours over essentially empty stretches of ocean or desert. Buzzing/circling fields in UK. Nearly colliding with USN aircraft/ships/subs. Why would we have our spy platforms doing that, when they could easily avoid any type of contact? [Reply]