Football NFL Quarterback Tiers 2024 - The Athletic - Page 2

Originally Posted by DRM08:
I mean…Allen was better in that 13 seconds game than Burrow was a week later. The only reason Cincy won and Buffalo lost is because Cincy has the far better defense to slow down Mahomes.

Burrow dodged the 2023 Chiefs defense. I think Allen did pretty well in that recent playoff game. The Bills were doing everything possible to keep Mahomes on the sideline because they knew Buffalo’s defense would give up 40+ points if the Chiefs offense had the ball for 50% of the game instead of 35%.

Allen's lone great playoff game against us was when we had no safeties on the field and the backup corners we had kept falling down.

:-)
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God tier - Mahomes

They suck and can blow me tier - everyone else
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Allen's lone great playoff game against us was when we had no safeties on the field and the backup corners we had kept falling down.

:-)

Burrow hasn't had any great Playoff games against the Chiefs defense, not one. He has been carried by HIS defense to victories. The dude still hasn't thrown a TD in the 4th quarter of a Playoff game. Check this out...

In 4 of 5 Playoff wins with Burrow, the Cincy defense allowed fewer than 20 points. They even shutdown Josh Allen to just 10 points. In their 2 losses, the Cincy defense allowed only 23 points to explosive offenses: Rams/Stafford & Chiefs/Mahomes.

That Cincy defense has been massively important to their success in the Playoffs. They even had a game against Baltimore’s backup QB where the Ravens were about to take the lead in a 17-17 game, but the Cincy defense forced a fumble and ran it back 99 yards for a TD. Burrow really is the new Tom Brady when it comes to having miracle bullshit happen to help him win games.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
I would take Allen over Burrow. Josh carries a bigger burden for his team and he has stayed healthy, while Burrow has spent 50% of his career with season-ending injuries. Allen’s playoff stats are much stronger than Burrow as well. Joe has had a pretty awesome defense helping win games.

And you don't know if Burrow's going to come back sound with that wrist/arm injury. Those can be fairly ornery.

Though honestly, I do think this is a clear "Mahomes and then everyone else" situation.

On any given game, some of those guys in T1 and T2 can hang with Pat. None of them even touch him over large numbers though.

The gap between QB1 and the rest of the field is pretty much unprecedented at this point. It's certainly never been like this in my lifetime. Can anyone recall the last time folks just stopped comparing a guy to his contemporaries and said "yeah, this is boring - we're just gonna start comparing this guy to historical greats from now on..."

There's just no question who the best guy is. Rodgers may have approached this at his peak, but that's all that I can recall. And even Rodgers wasn't the big bad at the end of the level like Mahomes is. Everyone knows they have to go through Mahomes in the post-season and he's going to give them an absolute dogfight. That was simply never the case with Rodgers.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
Burrow hasn't had any great Playoff games against the Chiefs defense, not one. He has been carried by HIS defense to victories. The dude still hasn't thrown a TD in the 4th quarter of a Playoff game. Check this out...

In 4 of 5 Playoff wins with Burrow, the Cincy defense allowed fewer than 20 points. They even shutdown Josh Allen to just 10 points. In their 2 losses, the Cincy defense allowed only 23 points to explosive offenses: Rams/Stafford & Chiefs/Mahomes.

That Cincy defense has been massively important to their success in the Playoffs. They even had a game against Baltimore’s backup QB where the Ravens were about to take the lead in a 17-17 game, but the Cincy defense forced a fumble and ran it back 99 yards for a TD. Burrow really is the new Tom Brady when it comes to having miracle bullshit happen to help him win games.

Just saying Allen's great game was based on us having no secondary.

Right now Burrow has to stay healthy which he has not done.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
Burrow hasn't had any great Playoff games against the Chiefs defense, not one. He has been carried by HIS defense to victories. The dude still hasn't thrown a TD in the 4th quarter of a Playoff game. Check this out...

In 4 of 5 Playoff wins with Burrow, the Cincy defense allowed fewer than 20 points. They even shutdown Josh Allen to just 10 points. In their 2 losses, the Cincy defense allowed only 23 points to explosive offenses: Rams/Stafford & Chiefs/Mahomes.

That Cincy defense has been massively important to their success in the Playoffs. They even had a game against Baltimore’s backup QB where the Ravens were about to take the lead in a 17-17 game, but the Cincy defense forced a fumble and ran it back 99 yards for a TD. Burrow really is the new Tom Brady when it comes to having miracle bullshit happen to help him win games.

And I think Cincy's defense is going to back up a bit this season. They've taken some hits on that side of the football the last couple years.

Burrow is all of a year younger than Mahomes - if he's going to demonstrate greatness, this is when it's going to have to start happening. The defense won't bail him out this year and the offense is going to start to atrophy going forward.

Time is now, Joey. Prove me wrong.
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Just saying Allen's great game was based on us having no secondary.

Right now Burrow has to stay healthy which he has not done.

Burrow went against that same defense a week later and scored 24 in regulation. Nothing to write home about against a bad defense.

Also I think Allen did pretty well to score 24 on a GREAT Chiefs defense this year. For perspective, that Chiefs defense held Lamar Jackson to 10 points a week later.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
Burrow went against that same defense a week later and scored 24 in regulation. Nothing to write home about against a bad defense.

Also I think Allen did pretty well to score 24 on the Chiefs defense this year. For perspective, that Chiefs defense held Lamar Jackson to 10 points a week later.

Allen was secondary to it.They ran the ball right at us (what we are not as great at) and Spags didn't adjust or call run blitzes into it until the later 2nd half.

Lamar should have scored more but Flowers lost the ball on the goal line with the lack of ball security and the Ravens offensive game plan was too much passing. They should have done exactly what Buffalo did and ran the ball against us. Spags must have been so happy to see Lamar dropping back when Buffalo did not trust Allen to do that much.
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Allen was secondary to it.They ran the ball right at us (what we are not as great at) and Spags didn't adjust or call run blitzes into it until the later 2nd half.

Lamar should have scored more but Flowers lost the ball on the goal line with the lack of ball security and the Ravens offensive game plan was too much passing. They should have done exactly what Buffalo did and ran the ball against us. Spags must have been so happy to see Lamar dropping back when Buffalo did not trust Allen to do that much.

Allen threw the ball 39 times in that game. It was a bunch of dink and dunk stuff, but still the guy did his job. Also threw a perfect 70 yard bomb late in the game and his "superstar" receiver dropped it like a bum.
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By the stipulated tier 1 criteria I think it’s clear that both Allen and Burrow belong there along with Mahomes. And Mahomes clearly comes out at the top of the list as he should.

It was also good to see a substantial gap in the voting values between these three and Jackson.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
Allen threw the ball 39 times in that game. It was a bunch of dink and dunk stuff, but still the guy did his job. Also threw a perfect 70 yard bomb late in the game and his "superstar" receiver dropped it like a bum.

Allen was fine. He didn't take over the game and the Bills were moving the ball on the ground by pounding the ball straight at us.

Allen also failed to score when the chips were down at the end but give our defense credit too, they made the plays when they had to.

My point was that Allen benefitted from a strong running game and the Ravens abandoned the run too early and put it all on Lamar (bad idea against our D).
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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Allen was fine. He didn't take over the game and the Bills were moving the ball on the ground by pounding the ball straight at us.

Allen also failed to score when the chips were down at the end but give our defense credit too, they made the plays when they had to.

My point was that Allen benefitted from a strong running game and the Ravens abandoned the run too early and put it all on Lamar (bad idea against our D).

Harbaugh panicked when the Chiefs scored 14 points very quickly in the first half. Seems like a pattern with the Ravens against the Chiefs.
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Originally Posted by DRM08:
Harbaugh panicked when the Chiefs scored 14 points very quickly in the first half. Seems like a pattern with the Ravens against the Chiefs.

They did.

But a lot of teams choke when they see us.

We have the aura now that makes teams lose their minds.

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Mahomes is in his own tier.

Allen just does not have the mental traits or accuracy to be comparable, he is a great 1st down maker and physical talent.

yup any tier list that doesn't have Mahomes in an island way up there in his own tier is irrelevant and the creator of that tier list loses all credibility.
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Originally Posted by Bump:
yup any tier list that doesn't have Mahomes in an island way up there in his own tier is irrelevant and the creator of that tier list loses all credibility.

I was talking about QB tiers two years ago and my Green Bay friend said Mahomes was Tier 1 with a STAR.

You need to place the star after him because he is on a different level.
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