Historically, including the two times Mahomes has actually won the MVP, the award goes to the quarterback with the gaudiest stats and highlight reel performances.
That's a big reason why, despite his regularly disappearing in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson will be a perennial MVP candidate (until the day he has to retire two seasons from now because his body was snapped in half).
And certainly going by that standard, Lamar should be a frontrunner again this year, alongside Josh Allen. Both QBs are putting up huge stats and making insane plays.
But the QB doing the heaviest lifting this season happens to be the same one who is undefeated.
We saw what happens when a really good QB is deprived of his best weapons yesterday. It was Brock Purdy, and he was largely useless.
Mahomes has made plenty of mistakes but if he cuts down on his most egregious errors, and keeps willing this team to victory after victory, then I absolutely think you have to look at him as MVP. The award is "Most Valuable Player," and Mahomes has proven that even if you kneecap the skill positions all over his offense, he (along with Reid's elite gameplanning) can lead his team to victory after victory.
Naturally, he doesn't care, because he only cares about Super Bowls.
But this guy is the GOAT, and he needs to have a trophy case proving that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
It’s weird to me people think Mahomes doesn’t care about stats and individual awards.
Every player does despite what they will say but if anyone doesn't care it is Mahomes. All that matters for his legacy now is how many Super Bowls he can get to. [Reply]
He's not lighting it up stat wise, but he comes up big when it matters most. Given the skill position guys he has to work with, I'd say this season has been pretty impressive. Put any other qb on the Chiefs, and they're 2-4 at best. [Reply]
He's been the 3rd most valuable player on the Chiefs to this point.
Jones and McDuffie have been more valuable than PM through 6 games. Hell, Hunt has been more critical the last 2 (our short yardage run game has saved our asses since he got here).
No, he's not the MVP. He's not even close. [Reply]
Pretty sure Reid found an old copy of Schottenheimer's playbook. Unless something changes with the roster, the Martyball era is here with the added advantage of unleashing Mahomes in case of emergency. [Reply]
Originally Posted by myselff77:
Pretty sure Reid found an old copy of Schottenheimer's playbook. Unless something changes with the roster, the Martyball era is here with the added advantage of unleashing Mahomes in case of emergency.
Let's not insult Reid by mentioning him in the same sentence as one of the most overrated coaches in history. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThrobProng:
Let's not insult Reid by mentioning him in the same sentence as one of the most overrated coaches in history.
Marty is not better than Reid, but Reid was not winning SBs until Mahomes came to KC. The Chiefs found new ways to choke in the playoffs under Andy Reid, until Mahomes became starter. The Eagles made one SB appearance during all his seasons in Philadelphia despite having good teams for many years.
They're both coaches who had winning teams in multiple places. One got lucky with a generation QB in his prime and the other didn't. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
Marty is not better than Reid, but Reid was not winning SBs until Mahomes came to KC. The Chiefs found new ways to choke in the playoffs under Andy Reid, until Mahomes became starter. The Eagles made one SB appearance during all his seasons in Philadelphia despite having good teams for many years.
They're both coaches who had winning teams in multiple places. One got lucky with a generation QB in his prime and the other didn't.
Marty had a top-flight defense and running game for the better part of a decade, and retired with an empty trophy case.
He was an underachiever. Reid accomplished far more in Philly than Marty did in KC. [Reply]
Originally Posted by FlaChief58:
He's not lighting it up stat wise, but he comes up big when it matters most. Given the skill position guys he has to work with, I'd say this season has been pretty impressive. Put any other qb on the Chiefs, and they're 2-4 at best.
If MVP is like which QB has put up the best stats in the season (which I think is a fair way to look at it) no way should Mahomes be talked about as an MVP, stat wise he's abysmal. But yeah given the situation, it's very impressive he's 6-0. He just does whatever is needed, stats be damned.
If we 3 peat it doesn't matter if he wins MVP or not, like ever again. If we 3 peat especially given the injuries on offense, he's hands down the greatest to ever do it, no questions. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThrobProng:
Marty had a top-flight defense and running game for the better part of a decade, and retired with an empty trophy case.
He was an underachiever. Reid accomplished far more in Philly than Marty did in KC.
In hindsight, having an elite QB would be better than a top flight defense and a running game with Bono/Grbac throwing passes in the playoffs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
In hindsight, having an elite QB would be better than a top flight defense and a running game with Bono/Grbac throwing passes in the playoffs.
In an era when "defense wins championships" was more true than it is today, Marty underachieved. Guys like Doug Williams and Mark Rypien weren't world beaters either, but they each won rings. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Gary Cooper:
Marty is not better than Reid, but Reid was not winning SBs until Mahomes came to KC. The Chiefs found new ways to choke in the playoffs under Andy Reid, until Mahomes became starter. The Eagles made one SB appearance during all his seasons in Philadelphia despite having good teams for many years.
They're both coaches who had winning teams in multiple places. One got lucky with a generation QB in his prime and the other didn't.
No I think it goes to show how much harder it is to win without a generational qb. Andy got some shit for not winning the big one but he won a lot of big ones. Marty couldn’t win any of the big ones. Very big distinction. Yeah mahomes launched Reid into a different stratosophere but Reid was already miles ahead of Marty. There are so many coaches who got to the Super Bowl or won because all the bounces went the right way and it’s unfortunate that Reid for so many decades had his accomplishments tarnished for that. [Reply]
Superbowl championships matter, MVP's not so much, weirdly Pat Mahomes stats this year remind me of Peyton Mannings stats in his final season. It's just weird how his play has dropped off and he is 29, you would think he would be cresting and apexing at this point not dropping off. I get that the WR room is running on vapor and that Kelce is in his twilight years, and the LT situation is honestly inexcusable by the front office. But he is panicking and abandoning fairly clean pockets, not to mention missing wide open WR's. The overthrow to Worthy at the beginning of the second half in yesterday's game pretty much says everything about Mahomes' play this year. I'm sure Brady/PManning had some down seasons as well, but not sure if they were ever ever this down, except for PManning's final season. [Reply]