More Horton posts from last fall. We'll see how he continues to develop, but in my opinion a WR trio of Rice, Worthy, and Horton would be a really solid, cost-controlled (for 2 seasons) group. [Reply]
Depends on how his Senior year plays out. Lots of variables, like the play of CSU's QB, O-line, etc.
If he gets through it injury-free and puts up similar or better numbers than he did last season, it certainly wouldn't be a lock that he'd still be there at 32.
He reminds me of a little faster, little quicker version of Allen Robinson - before Robinson's talent completely disappeared. He'd give us a nice young trio. Worthy would be the speed guy, Rice would be the strong YAC monster, and Horton as the 6'2" outside guy who just happens to have a great hands/route running/speed combination.
I like Hollywood and I think he's going to ball out this season as long as he stays relatively healthy, but I think he's one-and-done in KC, which is fine. Smart move by him, and smart move by the Chiefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
New staff. Baker had a career year last year unde Canales so I think right now he gets the benefit of the doubt but we’ll see
Buddy of mine is a lifelong TB fan and, on a sidenote, he's a coach for his kid's HS football team in Ft. Myers FL. So he knows a little more than the average fan about the game. He told me that Canales was okay last season, but not great. He got bogged down trying to establish the run early on, to the point local fans were calling him "run, run, pass Canales," during their losing streak.
According to my buddy, Baker bailed him out of some situations last year once Canales finally started asking Mayfield to throw the ball more and using the short passing game in place of a traditional running attack. So it was a collaboration more than Canales leading Baker to a career season.
Now, that's a long way from being a bad coach. Obviously, he's better than a whole slew of OCs right now.
But I won't be terribly surprised if CAR offense struggles through the first half of the year with that QB and offensive roster. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Buddy of mine is a lifelong TB fan and, on a sidenote, he's a coach for his kid's HS football team in Ft. Myers FL. So he knows a little more than the average fan about the game. He told me that Canales was okay last season, but not great. He got bogged down trying to establish the run early on, to the point local fans were calling him "run, run, pass Canales," during their losing streak.
According to my buddy, Baker bailed him out of some situations last year once Canales finally started asking Mayfield to throw the ball more and using the short passing game in place of a traditional running attack. So it was a collaboration more than Canales leading Baker to a career season.
Now, that's a long way from being a bad coach. Obviously, he's better than a whole slew of OCs right now.
But I won't be terribly surprised if CAR offense struggles through the first half of the year with that QB and offensive roster.
With all due respect to your buddy, gotta break down more than his pass/run splits to determine if Canales is going to be able to develop Bryce Young. Baker obviously enjoyed his best season as a pro last year throwing for over 4000 yards for the first time in his career and was also able to minimize the turnovers which has hurt him in the past. Lets not forget that Canales also was largely credited in aiding Geno Smith's 2022 comeback to relevancy.
So there are two pretty good examples of players enjoying their best season under Canales' watch. He seems to be doing a better job than most getting more out of players than other coaching regimes have in the past. Nothing is a for sure thing but it will be interesting if he is able to extract more out of Bryce Young. Hell even from 2010-2017 Canales was the receivers coach with the Seahawks and I thought he got the most out of those players. (Baldwin, Tate, Lockett, etc).
I don't really question his prowess or mind but sometimes coordinators aren't ready for the HC role (Spags for example). I think his biggest challenge is that he is trying to develop a very important piece for Carolina but now is responsible for so much more of the overall team and identity.
Originally Posted by Shoes:
With all due respect to your buddy, gotta break down more than his pass/run splits to determine if Canales is going to be able to develop Bryce Young. Baker obviously enjoyed his best season as a pro last year throwing for over 4000 yards for the first time in his career and was also able to minimize the turnovers which has hurt him in the past. Lets not forget that Canales also was largely credited in aiding Geno Smith's 2022 comeback to relevancy.
So there are two pretty good examples of players enjoying their best season under Canales' watch. He seems to be doing a better job than most getting more out of players than other coaching regimes have in the past. Nothing is a for sure thing but it will be interesting if he is able to extract more out of Bryce Young. Hell even from 2010-2017 Canales was the receivers coach with the Seahawks and I thought he got the most out of those players. (Baldwin, Tate, Lockett, etc).
I don't really question his prowess or mind but sometimes coordinators aren't ready for the HC role (Spags for example). I think his biggest challenge is that he is trying to develop a very important piece for Carolina but now is responsible for so much more of the overall team and identity.
Will be interesting how it plays out.
Oh he went way deep into it, including breaking down gamelogs, play-calls, in-game decisions. I just was never going to type all of that out.
Again, not saying Canales is a bad OC. To be clearer, I think he did a heck of a job. But further analysis seems to suggest that he wasn't the QB guru/offensive genius that some are making him out to be after last season's success. In other words, he got a little lucky as well.
I do think he'll get Bryce to perform better. I just also won't be surprised if that doesn't happen until after some struggles, because he's going to be working with less at key positions, like QB. [Reply]
I'd give Legette some time. He was extremely raw with only one year of real production. But man does he have some physical skills. Listening to him talk gave you an idea that his learning curve might be a tad longer than some who come into the league ready to roll.
But if he can learn an offense and the nuances of the position, he could be a force. Because he's that physically talented, good at contested catches, catches with his hands, tracks the ball well, and can fly for a guy that big. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Oh he went way deep into it, including breaking down gamelogs, play-calls, in-game decisions. I just was never going to type all of that out.
Again, not saying Canales is a bad OC. To be clearer, I think he did a heck of a job. But further analysis seems to suggest that he wasn't the QB guru/offensive genius that some are making him out to be after last season's success. In other words, he got a little lucky as well.
I do think he'll get Bryce to perform better. I just also won't be surprised if that doesn't happen until after some struggles, because he's going to be working with less at key positions, like QB.
I think Carolina's roster was AWFUL last year so I willing to wait see what Young can do throwing to more than the ghost of Adam Thielen. [Reply]
