- Early career production - Dynamic threat downfield & after the catch - Elite speed & start-stop ability - Fluid mover w/ good route running chops - Ball tracking is A+
Not entirely sure why the vibe isn't higher when talking about him in the WR class. pic.twitter.com/dv3JjdyZgh
I'll write something fresh about Worthy tomorrow morning now that he's a Chief to lay out how he's more than speed, but for now here's an excerpt from article linked in the below tweet... https://t.co/EcW7QtUrFFpic.twitter.com/811ahCEfMS
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I hope you aren’t implying that this is a race thing..
I'm not. I have no clue what it is, but acting like calling Tomlin mediocre when he hasn't won a playoff game in almost a decade is blasphemy is just hilarious.
Again, McCarthy has a ring too. They both got handed franchise QBs. McCarthy more recently won a playoff game.
If it's blasphemy to call Tomlin mediocre, it's blasphemy to call McCarhty mediocre. That's the point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I'm not. I have no clue what it is, but acting like calling Tomlin mediocre when he hasn't won a playoff game in almost a decade is blasphemy is just hilarious.
Again, McCarthy has a ring too. They both got handed franchise QBs. McCarthy more recently won a playoff game.
If it's blasphemy to call Tomlin mediocre, it's blasphemy to call McCarhty mediocre. That's the point.
It absolutely is.
If Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy are mediocre coaches then who’s a GOOD coach? [Reply]
“Well, yeah, sure he’s technically never done it but maybe he could one day! Ya never know!”
Yup, that's what I said.
There's really no point in arguing with somebody that is being this disingenuous. Anybody else would fully understand my point and likely concede.
You are sitting here trying to argue that it's not more like that a SB winning HC that was a great OC doesn't have a better shot at identifying a QB than a SB winning HC that was a great DC.
McCarthy developed Flynn and made him look good enough for the Seahawks to pay him to be a starter. That's not shit and yet that alone is more than Tomlin has ever done. Tomlin is a 0 when it comes to ability to identify talent. It's not a stretch to say McCarthy is at least a 1 or even a .5. Tomlin is a defensive guy, it's not even his fucking wheelhouse. [Reply]
So he's a great OC and QB coach, good HC, but it's STILL as stretch to say he has a better shot than Tomlin at identifying his own QB for his own system :-)
You're such a fucking disingenuous faggot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Now I KNOW you didn’t just list KOC in your ranks of good head coaches above Mike Tomlin and Mike McCarthy :-)
You’re such a fucking fraud.
There are literally teams drooling to trade a 1st and/or more to acquire him, but sure, that's a crazy take! This is how out of touch you are. KOC is seen as a fucking genius.
KOC just took Sam fucking Darnold and had him put up MVP numbers.
Yes, I'm going to say the guy that has made chicken salad out of chicken shit with backup level QB the last 2 years is a damn good coach and has a legitimate shot at identifying his own franchise QB and getting him (might have already). [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Yup, that's what I said.
There's really no point in arguing with somebody that is being this disingenuous. Anybody else would fully understand my point and likely concede.
You are sitting here trying to argue that it's not more like that a SB winning HC that was a great OC doesn't have a better shot at identifying a QB than a SB winning HC that was a great DC.
McCarthy developed Flynn and made him look good enough for the Seahawks to pay him to be a starter. That's not shit and yet that alone is more than Tomlin has ever done. Tomlin is a 0 when it comes to ability to identify talent. It's not a stretch to say McCarthy is at least a 1 or even a .5. Tomlin is a defensive guy, it's not even his fucking wheelhouse.
No, you’re arguing that an offensive-minded coach would have a better shot at identifying and drafting a QB.
I’m arguing that we’re discussing Head Coaches here, not GMs. We do not know nearly enough about any of these team’s internal operations to place blame at the HC’s feet for missing on the QB drafting crapshoot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
No, you’re arguing that an offensive-minded coach would have a better shot at identifying and drafting a QB.
I’m arguing that we’re discussing Head Coaches here, not GMs. We do not know nearly enough about any of these team’s internal operations to place blame at the HC’s feet for missing on the QB drafting crapshoot.
No, I'm arguing that an offensive minded head coach that has accomplished everything Tomlin has has a better shot than Tomlin all things even.
Do you understand how much goes into drafting a QB? Just because you can ignore your HC/OC doesn't mean it's wise. They should always be a part of that process. If it's going to work, everybody has to be on board, that's why the Kingsbury hire was crucial for the Commanders.
That's why Caleb struggled so much and why they underachyas an offense, even with OL issues. The Bears did not have that guy on offense, and getting handed a "generational" QB doesn't mean shit if you don't.
McCarthy can coach offense at a high level. You're literally saying he's a good HC, I'm sure you wouldn't argue that he's not a great OC and QB coach. Stop being such a fucking disingenuous cock sucker for once. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
There are literally teams drooling to trade a 1st and/or more to acquire him, but sure, that's a crazy take! This is how out of touch you are. KOC is seen as a fucking genius.
KOC just took Sam fucking Darnold and had him put up MVP numbers.
Yes, I'm going to say the guy that has made chicken salad out of chicken shit with backup level QB the last 2 years is a damn good coach and has a legitimate shot at identifying his own franchise QB and getting him (might have already).
Kind of funny how you’re so recent-results driven but KOC gets a pass that Tomlin doesn’t.
Dude’s team got smacked in the Wild Card Round by the Daniel Jones GIANTS. Next year they missed the playoffs entirely. Year after that they got squashed in the Wild Card Round AGAIN despite winning 14 games in the regular season.
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
Kind of funny how you’re so recent-results driven but KOC gets a pass that Tomlin doesn’t.
Dude’s team got smacked in the Wild Card Round by the Daniel Jones GIANTS. Next year they missed the playoffs entirely. Year after that they got squashed in the Wild Card Round AGAIN despite winning 14 games in the regular season.
0 playoff wins in his career, FYI.
Yes, I'm giving KOC the benefit of the doubt 100% because he's younger. That's the same shit we do with athletes. I give Stroud more of a pass for a down year sophomore slump than I would a 10 year vet . That's how it works.
I fully understand that KOC hasn't proven anything in the playoffs yet. That's the difference between me and you, I'm not scared to make predictions or use some foresight. I am confident that KOC is a good HC today, despite the way their season ended.
He was in the toughest division in football. He lost 3 regular season games and ended up in a WC with Sam Darnold on the road against a team with a much better QB that could just as easily be our opponent in the SB.
You can laugh all you want but there's absolutely nothing crazy about what I'm saying. I guarantee there are many owners and GMs that would take KOC over Tomlin, probably even the majority. [Reply]
:-) The funniest bit is ThaVirus purposefully trying to piss off staylor and then actually getting pissed off in return. It's happened multiple times now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch: :-) The funniest bit is ThaVirus purposefully trying to piss off staylor and then actually getting pissed off in return. It's happened multiple times now.
Me just existing sends that chode into a tizzy lol
For the record, I have never been mad in a debate with Staylor even though he says a bunch of stupid shit. Closest he ever got was when he called be Schrödinger’s mulatto or some shit like that in DC :-) even then I was just like “wtf? You’re dumb as hell”
But yeah, no one wants to see us shit all over the Worthy thread about a HC argument so I won’t say anymore on it. I’ve told him multiple times to keep those other arguments in the past but he just can’t help himself. This one was juuuust different enough from the one we already had in the other thread for me to engage. [Reply]
