Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by ThaVirus:
I'm not saying Mahomes shouldn't have his ring. I'm saying he played like shit for like 3 quarters of his first Super Bowl then went nuclear in the last handful of minutes to steal the win. Dude said Brady should have just played better throughout the games to not have to win with late-game heroics but that's exactly what Pat did.. and it doesn't matter. They won the games they won.
The wins against Seattle, Atlanta and Los Angeles were some bullshit, but a dub is a dub. Those wins required some fluky plays to make happen, but on the flip side you could argue that fluke plays going against him also kept him from another three rings. If not for a helmet catch, or a routine drop by Welker or a strip-sack in a game with over 1,000 yards of offense, he could have had 9 Super Bowls.
Ew. That really would be the darkest timeline.
This idea Mahomes played poorly in the first half is pretty off-base, though it is popular.
The Chiefs had 4 first-half possession. Here's how they worked out:
1) 3 and out. Run, swing pass to flat (batted down by Bosa - great play), swing pass to flat (blind throw that missed Williams)
2) Scoring drive (TD)
3) Scoring drive (FG)
4) Punt. They were driving to midfield towards the end of the half and looked on track to get into FG range until a great individual play on an end-around by Arik Armstead put them in second and forever, and they ran a safe screen on 3rd down that didn't move the chains.
That's it.
He played poorly in the 3rd quarter, but the first half play was good (for anyone, even pat) against the 49ers defense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Mahomes reverted to 2018 mode (like we saw against the Rams last year) where he tried to do way too much in the 3rd quarter against the Niners. He had a terrible quarter in the Super Bowl, but more than made up for it with his legendary performance in the last nine minutes.
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Reverted? WTF are you talking about?
C’mon, dude. He forced a pass that hit Warner right between the numbers. He’s taken ownership of it being a bad pass in interviews since the Super Bowl. In 2019, that’s a ball he normally chooses to throw away. In 2018, as we saw against the Rams and and the INT he saw against the Ravens in 2018, it’s a pass he’d sometimes force.
It’s okay to say that Mahomes forced a bad pass or had a bad quarter every now and again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
C’mon, dude. He forced a pass that hit Warner right between the numbers. He’s taken ownership of it being a bad pass in interviews since the Super Bowl. In 2019, that’s a ball he normally chooses to throw away. In 2018, as we saw against the Rams and and the INT he saw against the Ravens in 2018, it’s a pass he’d sometimes force.
It’s okay to say that Mahomes forced a bad pass or had a bad quarter every now and again.
He may have forced a bad pass but I'd love to hear more about how you've used that play to diagnose some sort of temporary "reversion." Do you think his mind/understanding some how returned to a 2018 state? Based on that pass? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
He may have forced a bad pass but I'd love to hear more about how you've used that play to diagnose some sort of temporary "reversion." Do you think his mind/understanding some how returned to a 2018 state? Based on that pass?
I'd love to hear more about how you used my post to conclude that I've somehow given a "diagnosis". Second, can you share the definition of "reversion" you're relying on in your post? Knowing whether you're using Merriam Websters' or Cambridge's (my personal favorite) definition would be key in order for us to have an intellectual discussion on a Chiefs football fan site.
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
I'd love to hear more about how you used my post to conclude that I've somehow given a "diagnosis". Second, can you share the definition of "reversion" you're relying on in your post? Knowing whether you're using Merriam Websters' or Cambridge's (my personal favorite) definition would be key in order for us to have an intellectual discussion on a Chiefs football fan site.
You're a funny cat, PG.
What did you mean by "reverted to 2018 mode"? I honestly don't GAF what definition you use, assuming it makes sense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
What did you mean by "reverted to 2018 mode"? I honestly don't GAF what definition you use, assuming it makes sense.
We saw Mahomes try to do too much on multiple occasions in 2018. I never really minded this, because it was nice to see a QB slinging it in crunch time rather than going fetal. Still, it did cost us in some pretty critical moments in 2018. In some, Mahomes neglected his checkdown or chose not to scramble and opted to force the ball deep. Some of these interceptions were particularly critical in a couple of key games.
I could bore you with an overly wordy analysis about how Mahomes' mistakes like this were costly @Patriots, Ravens, @Rams, and in the 2018 AFCCG, but I don't want to clutter this gorgeous thread with past Mahomes mistakes, so let's just refer to Keysor here - who is quite complementary of Mahomes work in Q4 of the Super bowl.
Originally Posted by : This is the area that is most noticeable statistically, as Mahomes’ interception percentage dropped from 2.1 percent in 2018 to 1.0 percent in 2019. This is worth noting in part because after the 2018 season, it became widely circulated that Mahomes benefited in terms of how many potential interceptions were dropped by defenders. The implication was that his interception percentage would rise as his luck faded. Instead, the opposite occurred and he became one of the “safest” quarterbacks in the league.
Here, the Chiefs have a 2nd-and-7 yards while trailing 20-10 with less than 9 minutes remaining in the Super Bowl. They need to move the ball badly here. When Mahomes drops back, his first two reads are well covered (it’s off the screen, but both Travis Kelce and Sammy Watkins are bracketed well in the middle of the field). In the meantime, defensive end Nick Bosa is able to come screaming around the edge and a well-executed stunt on the other side is starting to cause some problems. So Mahomes takes off to the left, where there’s a great deal of open space.
In 2018, Mahomes likely would have continued to scan the field and tried to make a big play with his arm here. However, that’s not the safest play to get a first down, and he knows it. So rather than trying to force something, he instead uses the threat of his passing outside the pocket to hold the secondary in place, then scrambles for 7 yards. There’s no risk taken, and the Chiefs get a fresh set of downs to work with.
So when I say Mahomes reverted to a 2018 tendency, it's referring to him trying to force a pass similarly as he did in some big moments in 2018 instead of taking what the defense gave him or choosing to throw the ball away. Is that fair? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
C’mon, dude. He forced a pass that hit Warner right between the numbers. He’s taken ownership of it being a bad pass in interviews since the Super Bowl. In 2019, that’s a ball he normally chooses to throw away. In 2018, as we saw against the Rams and and the INT he saw against the Ravens in 2018, it’s a pass he’d sometimes force.
It’s okay to say that Mahomes forced a bad pass or had a bad quarter every now and again.
It was 3rd and 12, and he was throwing for a 1st down. The "bad pass" interpretation was that he missed the throwing lane that Hill was moving towards. The pass is a couple three yards to the left, and it is complete for a 1st down. Throw the ball away, and we are punting... which is sort of a turnover. Check it down, which you have alluded to in other posts, and we are probably punting too.
The strip sack on the play before placed us behind the numbers on 3rd down. That was the play that really "forced" anything.
I don't have a problem with Mahomes going for it on 3rd and long. It's paid off for us many times over his short career. i hope he never loses that edge. [Reply]
