Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
The Chiefs didn't change their offense.
Mahomes got the ball out faster because he felt comfortable in the pocket. Why is this even being debated?
how would getting the ball out FASTER be a result of being comfortable in a pocket that never even truly formed.
And again, it's all a question of degrees. It's not that he's being quick, it's that he has been quicker than he has ever been in his entire career.
That's GOTTA mean something. Because he's been extremely comfortable in that pocket many many times throughout the course of an 8 year career and he wasn't ripping the ball out like it was on fire then. [Reply]
Texans - fastest time to release since week 4, 2021
Steelers - fastest time to release ever, in his entire career
You can say the play calling didn't change but you and Meatpeeker are the only ones that believe that. None of the talking heads out there from Keysor to Verdarame agree with you.
Except that Clay posted tons of highlights from those games where Pat hit plenty of 5 and 7 step drops.......... [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It truly is ENTIRELY that.
Some folks want to see this as some indictment of Thuney and it just isn't.
Nobody - NOBODY - is shitting on Thuney here. It's amazing he's been as credible at LT as he's been.
What we want is the dude who's probably the best LG of the last 20 years - or at least the best for this team and how they want to play - to play LG again.
And nobody is saying it's VITAL to anything that he does so. Only that it would be one hell of a luxury to have and that it's absolutely worth spinning the wheel and taking your chances to see if you have it.
Again, the hyperbole AIN'T from this side of the argument. At all.
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
Except that Clay posted tons of highlights from those games where Pat hit plenty of 5 and 7 step drops..........
And then threw the ball instead of waiting for guys to get open. I've watched the All 22. You can't always see the WR routes on the live broadcast. They adjusted a lot of their play calls to have more guys working underneath to get the ball out quicker. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
It truly is ENTIRELY that.
Some folks want to see this as some indictment of Thuney and it just isn't.
Nobody - NOBODY - is shitting on Thuney here. It's amazing he's been as credible at LT as he's been.
What we want is the dude who's probably the best LG of the last 20 years - or at least the best for this team and how they want to play - to play LG again.
And nobody is saying it's VITAL to anything that he does so. Only that it would be one hell of a luxury to have and that it's absolutely worth spinning the wheel and taking your chances to see if you have it.
Again, the hyperbole AIN'T from this side of the argument. At all.
And again, the player we're trying to get off the field is Caliendo. If we could have Thuney at LT and Thuney at LG, I'm all in. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
Because Pat felt comfortable to get through his reads. He was seeing ghosts because he was getting hit so much.
Once he stopped getting hit so much he was able to quickly go through his reads and that's when the offense took off again
He got hit plenty vs. Cleveland. And as I've said since about week 4, oftentimes he gets hit BECAUSE he's holding the ball too long. And there's just no way he doesn't know this - dudes as intuitive a QB as the league has seen. He studies his ass off.
He had to know some of that was happening. Which is again why I get to how massive Brown and not Thuney has been to this change because that's the addition that saw the offense go from the horror show it was against Cleveland to the unit that looked good against Houston/Pitt. (Seriously, you can't have watched that game if you think Cleveland was one of the 3 best games our offense has had this year -- it's one of the 5 worst this offense has had in the entirety of the Reid/Mahomes era).
Am I supposed to believe he mentally changed overnight when they played Houston? I just can't get there.
The simplest explanation is a change in the progressions - short to long. With the longer being 'see me' plays on those corner routes that Hollywood can excel at or at least draw attention away from. All of which are extremely easy to install and would show immediate dividends. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
Except that Clay posted tons of highlights from those games where Pat hit plenty of 5 and 7 step drops..........
He showed like 8 clips and again the stats don't like.
Fastest pop time of his entire career.
No, you don't have 'tons of 5 and 7 step drops' and get that. Because it's all relative to him and he's not had an entire career full of poor protection.
It CAN'T be comfort in the pocket because he's BEEN comfortable in the pocket and wasn't getting the ball out in under 2.4 seconds.
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2:
As well as last year. Rashee had one of the lowest WR aDOT’s in the league.
Rashee is built for that. I mean like lab designed YAC monster. When he went out no one took that quick hitter role and it was getting Mahomes killed. [Reply]
We have a former pro bowl LT on the roster. We have a once-in-a-generation LG.
I can't believe anybody would rather have Thuney at LT and Caliendo at LG. That's an inferior lineup, period.
The ONLY reason people have a problem with this is because deep down, they don't trust the team.
If DJ is ready, they will play him. If he's not, they won't. It's as simple as that. Take the emotion out of it, look at the two scenarios, and realize that objectively, DJ and Thuney are the best lineup possible.
It remains to be seen if DJ can make that happen but that's the coaches' call. Have a little fucking faith. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
You and Coogs and your obsession with only watching the highlights...
Highlight plays are, by definition, plays where things went well. The issues appear on plays when they don't go well.
And I'm telling y'all, that's spamming 2, maybe 3, really simple concepts that the Steelers/Texans didn't get figured out.
The reason it looked so easy was because Andy was willing to spam 'em. That's also WHY we were able to get the ball out so quickly. We knew what we wanted to use with the looks we got and immediately knew where the ball was going to go.
And Andy will absolutely do that in the post-season. But I don't think the smarter DCs will allow us to get away with it as much. We'll need plan Bs and I'd be floored, Thuney or no, if we stay that efficient with a pop time that low in the post-season.
I just don't think its a realistic expectation. [Reply]
I'm certain I can find more plays where it wasn't a "quick pass" and Mahomes held the ball, because the protection held up, and then threw it short due to coverage. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Hammock Parties:
I'm certain I can find more plays where it wasn't a "quick pass" and Mahomes held the ball, because the protection held up, and then threw it short due to coverage. :-)
To what end? Are you really trying to argue that a lineup of Thuney and Caliendo is ideal? [Reply]
