Originally Posted by htismaqe:
The problem isn't fixed. They covered it with duct tape and putty by putting Thuney at LT. That's it. It's a bandaid. And they completely covered his faults with play calling.
In the playoffs, teams will have an answer for that. You need more than adequate in the playoffs.
Bullshit. Texans and Steelers came at us with everything they had. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I don't remember where I read it, but it spoke to how Thuney plays LT.
He doesn't really get back. He works with what he has which is technique and hands - it ain't length. So he can't be as deliberate as you'd like him to be.
So it was suggested that the reason Mahomes was getting the ball out so quickly and the drops were so short was that Thuney simply doesn't like getting back to a 'catch point' and receiving the rusher -- he prefers attack the rusher and that makes the drop point for Mahomes shorter because if he goes back 7 or 5 steps, it makes it too easy for rushers to just go around Thuney.
Humphries doesn't do that. Look at some of those reps vs. Bonitto -- he doesn't look like a guard playing OT -- he LOOKS like an OT. He gets back, he gets set, he forms a pocket. As opposed to Thuney who attacks and holds on for dear life.
Yeah, I think I'm trending towards Pugs as well here - I think they'll try Humphries because he just has a skill set and way of playing the position that Thuney doesn't.
Is it smart? Maybe not - why fuck with the quick passing game when it was working? But to a previous point (Maybe 'maqes?) -- if it ISN'T working in a game and Thuney is your LT, you really can't flip to a 5-7 step game and a downfield attack. Thuney can't really give you that. And you can't flip from Thuney to Humphries in-game, IMO.
Whereas if you start with Humphries and he's not holding up to the downfield stuff, you CAN dial in the quick game again and probably won't even have to take DJ off the field. And if you do, it's easier to take him down and move Thuney out to LT than vice versa.
I think the flexibility offered by starting Humphries is great enough that it's a risk worth taking.
If the primary issue with Humphries is stamina and not being fully in game shape, then I don't know why we just don't have a few drives where we spell Humphreys and run Thuney out at LT. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
So now we've gone from using Thuney as the emergency LT in the playoffs to starting him as the permanent LT next season?
This place might as well be flooded with Bengals fans. That's delusional.
Yeah, that's a terrible idea.
You put a guy at LT with arms as short as Thuney and it will limit your drop backs for an entire season and teams WILL figure out how to exploit him.
They may be able to figure it out in the post-season.
Thuney isn't a long-term solution at LT at all. Credit for doing yeoman's work in a pinch, but you can't put him out there as a genuine plan. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Humphries just isn’t in shape and that scares me. I’d love to have him back next year to have a fair go of it, but at what price?
Thuney has been far better than people give him credit for. And yes the get rid of the ball quickly. We’ve been doing that all year to protect every LT that has played.
But our options are extremely limited. It’s Thuney, Humphries, overpaying Cam Robinson (who was awful in Detroit) or a Mahomes like trade up for a lottery ticket.
So what’s it gonna be fellas? Say what you will but I’m very confident that Thuney is not gonna get baptized and ruin games like Wanya or Kingsley have.
We have not been doing that all year. That's demonstrably false. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Humphries just isn’t in shape and that scares me. I’d love to have him back next year to have a fair go of it, but at what price?
Thuney has been far better than people give him credit for. And yes the get rid of the ball quickly. We’ve been doing that all year to protect every LT that has played.
But our options are extremely limited. It’s Thuney, Humphries, overpaying Cam Robinson (who was awful in Detroit) or a Mahomes like trade up for a lottery ticket.
So what’s it gonna be fellas? Say what you will but I’m very confident that Thuney is not gonna get baptized and ruin games like Wanya or Kingsley have.
Cam Robinson has only played for Jacksonville and Minnesota... [Reply]
Couldn't watch the entire game but from what I could see, except for the one humiliating whiff against an elite pass rusher where he blocked a poltergeist, he was OK\mediocre. Which is 100% better than what they had with Morris and the rookie. Pressure looked like it was coming from the interior and the right tackle. Thuney is a massive asset as an interior lineman. He can maul people and set a tone. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TheGuardian:
And that was his first game. And he did "ok". But it was Myles Garrett.
What happened with Cam Robinson? Hasn't he been really good for the Vikings?
He hasn't been 'really good' from what I've seen. But he's been solid, especially in pass pro.
Every time I watch him I think "Well that's Taylor at LT"
And yeah, he's gonna get paid. The $15 million is a pipe dream - it's gonna be more like $22-25 million.
I'd be fine walking away from Smith if it facilitates that.
And no, I don't love the idea of doing it. But with Kelce's decline, we're going to have to work outside the numbers more and that's going to take more time than 'losing slowly' can routinely provide us.
We need a guy who can/will kick out and form a pocket on a deep drop. [Reply]
