Last thread has well over 10,000 replies. Its body is breaking down like The Undertaker's. Seeing as we might have crossed the threshold into a new era in the business, here's a fresh new thread.
Originally Posted by keg in kc:
There's a reason both of them have consistently good matches with everybody they work with, and it's not because anybody is carrying them.
I have no idea where the hell you get that idea.
Cena just botched multiple spots and Roman is carried a lot. Cena has been a lot better on the mic with hollywood acting, but at best he's not a hindrance.
Cena's value is promoting the brand, selling merch and fulfilling requests for ill people. [Reply]
i was relying on wiz.net's stream of a replay. i missed a 'shit ton' of matches (all but the last two of five :-) ). but that reigns lezner match was pathetic. and to end the night none the less. i watch the wwe once every six months maybe, and this product is terrible.
but i keep watching, hoping it will get better. like the royals and chiefs :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by BryanBusby:
I have no idea where the hell you get that idea.
Cena just botched multiple spots and Roman is carried a lot. Cena has been a lot better on the mic with hollywood acting, but at best he's not a hindrance.
Cena's value is promoting the brand, selling merch and fulfilling requests for ill people.
Keg is right. Both those guys are tremendous assets in the ring and produce quality matches time and time again. I don't know what you've watched. [Reply]
Reigns getting booed and suck has nothing to do with his ring work. For a larger dude he's pretty good. Reigns is getting booed because people don't like to have the company man shoved down their throats.
I don't even think he's beyond repair as being the top face I do however think this refusal to turn him heel and just shove him down everyone's throat is a horrible approach to getting him over. The Rocks heel turn basically saved his career, it's sad they can't look at their own history. [Reply]
Nicholas suspended after testing positive for Flintsones Chewable Vitamins
Barely an hour after winning the Raw Tag Team Championships with Braun Strowman, professional wrestler Nicholas has been slapped with a 30-day suspension after a routine urine test revealed traces of performance-enhancing chewable vitamins.
In accordance with WWE’s Wellness Policy (and lesser-known Oldness Policy), Nicholas will be stripped of the title, leaving Strowman as the sole defender of the championships, unless he can find another random child in an audience to fill Nicholas’ tiny shoes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Reigns getting booed and suck has nothing to do with his ring work. For a larger dude he's pretty good. Reigns is getting booed because people don't like to have the company man shoved down their throats.
I don't even think he's beyond repair as being the top face I do however think this refusal to turn him heel and just shove him down everyone's throat is a horrible approach to getting him over. The Rocks heel turn basically saved his career, it's sad they can't look at their own history.
Reigns would connect with the fans if they let him be more like Reigns outside the ring. If he didnt follow a script so close he would be good. He needs to deviate from a script sometimes like Bryan and Heyman do [Reply]
Both Cena and Reigns CAN put on great matches, but for me its more their limited movesets and the fact that none of them look particularly painful. When your finisher is a tackle or a glorified firemans carry, its hard to be super believable and engrossing. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy:
Keg is right. Both those guys are tremendous assets in the ring and produce quality matches time and time again. I don't know what you've watched.
I'll keep that in mind when Cena loudly calls his spots or Roman lays down for his next half hour long nap.
I get the appeal with Cena because he has talent with the mic and can be entertaining and sometimes can have a good match if he's paired with the right person. I wouldn't call that "consistently"
He's had a lot of mediocre to dog shit matches.
Roman Reigns I just don't get. His in ring work sucks, his character sucks, his conditioning sucks and he sucks on a mic.
It's not about just not liking them. I don't like Dean Ambrose either, but he's actually a hell of a worker.
Roman is bad enough that they just 86'd an entire year long coronation because he has X-Pac heat and I think at a certain point, you have to look at circumstances beyond just booking. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good:
Both Cena and Reigns CAN put on great matches, but for me its more their limited movesets and the fact that none of them look particularly painful. When your finisher is a tackle or a glorified firemans carry, its hard to be super believable and engrossing.
The FU was a big deal at one time. But the moves leading up to the FU became so played out and predictable that people started to hate it. [Reply]
I think it's more by their own design that Cena and Reigns have such limited movesets. Hogan, Rock, and Austin were pretty predictable and had some contrived moves as well. [Reply]
At least with Austin and Rock (or at least Austin), they were capable of pulling out a bigger moveset if they needed to but stuck with the pattern because it worked. Cena is debatable, but it's certainly not working for Roman. [Reply]
