Vote in this poll if you actually live in Jackson county.
We've all shared our opinions in the other thread. But who gives a shit what somebody in Platte County or Johnson County or Phoenix or NYC thinks. We're all just noise. [Reply]
Comparing the airport to the stadium vote isn't accurate.
There were obvious problems with MCI. So far, the issues with the new terminal haven't demonstrated a clear downgrade in the old ones. No, you can't roll up to security thirty minutes before boarding and be assured of making your flight. But it's not close to the level of Denver's lag time between arriving, checking in, TSA harassment and getting to your gate.
There hasn't been a clear structural problem with Kauffman like old MCI. It's replacement with a downtown facility is a negative for people who like the ability to park their and walk into the stadium in < 15 minutes. Strike one, so to speak. Second, it's a money grab for ownership in shrinking the capacity per game while maximizing new luxury boxes *AND* the real estate speculation of owning county-paid development of mixed use residential / commercial development. The airport, in spite of its touted upgraded amenities, serves a wider public good of facilitating air travel. Strike two. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Comparing the airport to the stadium vote isn't accurate.
There were obvious problems with MCI. So far, the issues with the new terminal haven't demonstrated a clear downgrade in the old ones. No, you can't roll up to security thirty minutes before boarding and be assured of making your flight. But it's not close to the level of Denver's lag time between arriving, checking in, TSA harassment and getting to your gate.
There hasn't been a clear structural problem with Kauffman like old MCI. It's replacement with a downtown facility is a negative for people who like the ability to park their and walk into the stadium in < 15 minutes. Strike one, so to speak. Second, it's a money grab for ownership in shrinking the capacity per game while maximizing new luxury boxes *AND* the real estate speculation of owning county-paid development of mixed use residential / commercial development. The airport, in spite of its touted upgraded amenities, serves a wider public good of facilitating air travel. Strike two.
It gives us Arrowhead for another 25+ years. Home run. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ModSocks:
I'm not versed in what's going on with ya'lls stadium situation, but everything i've read so far is exactly like the situation in San Diego.
And the same arguments Mecca and Zach are making were also made here.
"We don't want to give money to billionaires".
You're focused on the wrong thing. Your tax money is going to billionaires regardless. This isn't about saving you tax money, fools. This is about which special project GETS your tax money.
You can bet your ass you will be paying that tax in something else.
In San Diego, politicians and non-sports fans aligned to lead the public to believe that the hotel tax that the Chargers wanted to fund the stadium was about billioniares.
That was a lie. It was about ANOTHER project those politicians wanted to fund. The Convention Center remodel.
In the end, San Diego said "No" to using that hotel tax to build a stadium. The Chargers left.
Later, the city approved a new hotel tax to fund the remodel of the Convention Center as they wanted to invest in keeping Comic-Con in town. New pedestrian bridges that no one wanted etc.
And you know what happened after that? Covid hit. And Comic-Con was basically canceled and reduced to a shell of its former self.
Take a fucking history lesson, before you're doomed to repeat it.
Quit the bullshit, it's not about billionaires. It's about which special project you WILL eventually be paying for.
San Diego fans can at least still go to the beach and enjoy perfect weather. KC?????????? [Reply]
Originally Posted by wazu:
It gives us Arrowhead for another 25+ years. Home run.
It's a lot less likely the Chiefs leave the metro vs Royals.
The one downside to the Chiefs relocating to Kansas is that they'll probably rename the team in order to take advantage of a total rebrand for the political points it would score and maximizing new merchandise sales. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BWillie:
You aren't looking at the big picture though and just direct costs. I guarantee you visitors have a much favorable opinion of KC than they did decades ago in the 80s and 90s. That gets ppl to decide to visit, pursue careers here, spend money at other adjacent businesses when there are events. Its an entertainment district that is also a marketing concept to show off Kansas City to the world. It has been a huge success for KCs image overall. A small price to pay for such benefit.
"Ignore the costs and forgot every year millions from your general funds are being taken out to subsidize a billionaire from the east cost. Sure your roads are crumbling, your public schools are failing, and there's high crime but just think about the hillbilly in BFE who thinks favorably of your city now" [Reply]
Originally Posted by ModSocks:
I'm not versed in what's going on with ya'lls stadium situation, but everything i've read so far is exactly like the situation in San Diego.
And the same arguments Mecca and Zach are making were also made here.
"We don't want to give money to billionaires".
You're focused on the wrong thing. Your tax money is going to billionaires regardless. This isn't about saving you tax money, fools. This is about which special project GETS your tax money.
You can bet your ass you will be paying that tax in something else.
In San Diego, politicians and non-sports fans aligned to lead the public to believe that the hotel tax that the Chargers wanted to fund the stadium was about billioniares.
That was a lie. It was about ANOTHER project those politicians wanted to fund. The Convention Center remodel.
In the end, San Diego said "No" to using that hotel tax to build a stadium. The Chargers left.
Later, the city approved a new hotel tax to fund the remodel of the Convention Center as they wanted to invest in keeping Comic-Con in town. New pedestrian bridges that no one wanted etc.
And you know what happened after that? Covid hit. And Comic-Con was basically canceled and reduced to a shell of its former self.
Take a ****ing history lesson, before you're doomed to repeat it.
Quit the bullshit, it's not about billionaires. It's about which special project you WILL eventually be paying for.
I don't know about something else but if this fails I'd believe 1000% there will be some other tax put into place to make up for all the lost tax revenue. That's the catch with these things, sports teams hold all the cards. You aren't going to win. It's especially true for the Royals and Chiefs because they can move across state lines and use that as leverage. The teams move and it will cost Missouri and Jackson County quite a bit of tax revenue from fans, visitors, and of course players who pay tax on every game played in KC. Maybe it will be another project, but they will have to make up the tax revenue somehow. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
I don't know about something else but if this fails I'd believe 1000% there will be some other tax put into place to make up for all the lost tax revenue. That's the catch with these things, sports teams hold all the cards. You aren't going to win. It's especially true for the Royals and Chiefs because they can move across state lines and use that as leverage. The teams move and it will cost Missouri and Jackson County quite a bit of tax revenue from fans, visitors, and of course players who pay tax on every game played in KC. Maybe it will be another project, but they will have to make up the tax revenue somehow.
This.
But the No voters will have their momentary victory of not voting for a “tax increase”… even though today’s vote is not “increasing” taxes, rather just continuing the existing 3/8-cent sales tax.
And ironically their motivation to supposedly avoid increasing taxes with a No vote today, will lead to increased taxes in the long run.